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Destiny and Free will

GDon said:
That sounds unfair. Why wouldn't Allah wait two more years, so that the man dies as a believer?
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That's what I explained in my article.

Because God knows what you will do in total, even if you are tested forever. He knows what you deserve even before He created you. And in these two days of trials we have a miniature confrontation with ourselves.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
That's what I explained in my article.

Because God knows what you will do in total, even if you are tested forever. He knows what you deserve even before He created you. And in these two days of trials we have a miniature confrontation with ourselves.
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But your article is nothing. It's just you thinking what your imaginary friend thinks and wants. Your book is just a bunch of silly little fairy stories and obtuse sayings. Maybe you "prophet" was crazy, or drunk, or high on something and his blathering got written down. The thing you've based your life around is a lie.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
That's what I explained in my article.
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You didn't explain it in your article I'm afraid, as far as I can see.

Emre_1974tr said:
Because God knows what you will do in total, even if you are tested forever. He knows what you deserve even before He created you.
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If God knows what I deserve before he even created me, would it be possible for God to not create me at all if He knew I wouldn't pass the test? Or is that impossible for God to do, in your opinion?
 
Odd that people think a god created them when we know where babies come from. In my case, my parents created me during a vacation on the Oregon Coast. I really have no idea why they felt the need to tell me that.
 
GDon said:
You didn't explain it in your article I'm afraid, as far as I can see.


If God knows what I deserve before he even created me, would it be possible for God to not create me at all if He knew I wouldn't pass the test? Or is that impossible for God to do, in your opinion?
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I explained:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=3845.0

As for your second question (though I have explained this too in pages and pages of detail on my page, but you don't want to read it); of course, he may not create you if he wants to, but the aim is for you to get what you deserve. If you are one of the bad ones, you will go to hell, and if you are one of the good ones, you will go to paradise. And God, knowing what you deserve, creates you exactly to get you there.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
That's what I explained in my article.

Because God knows what you will do in total, even if you are tested forever. He knows what you deserve even before He created you. And in these two days of trials we have a miniature confrontation with ourselves.
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If he already knows, for example, that in creating me he is creating someone who will not believe in him . . . then I don't see the point of creating something like that. He created me, in other words, to rot in the Muslim version of hell. Seems pretty rude to me.
 
xjx388 said:
If he already knows, for example, that in creating me he is creating someone who will not believe in him . . . then I don't see the point of creating something like that. He created me, in other words, to rot in the Muslim version of hell. Seems pretty rude to me.
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The goal is to get what you deserve. If you are a tyrant who chooses evil of your own free will, then you were created for hell.

It is justice, goodness and mercy that the bad go to hell as the good go to paradise.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
of course, he may not create you if he wants to, but the aim is for you to get what you deserve. If you are one of the bad ones, you will go to hell, and if you are one of the good ones, you will go to paradise. And God, knowing what you deserve, creates you exactly to get you there.
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Could God have created me so that I deserve to go to heaven, or is that impossible for God to do?
 
Emre_1974tr said:
If you are one of the bad ones, you will go to hell, and if you are one of the good ones, you will go to paradise. And God, knowing what you deserve, creates you exactly to get you there.
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So God makes people who are purposely defective so He can send them to Hell? :confused:

The only amazing thing here is your lack of common sense. You revere his God Allah? :confused:
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The goal is to get what you deserve. If you are a tyrant who chooses evil of your own free will, then you were created for hell.

It is justice, goodness and mercy that the bad go to hell as the good go to paradise.
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What a crock of manure. You don't get what you deserve. EVER. And neither the fairy tale being Allah or the fairy tale being Yahweh has anything to do with it.

First you have to prove that Allah exists and you haven't come close to doing that.

Instead of shoveling horse crap in a thread on ISF, why not prove Allah is more than a character in a horrible evil book.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The goal is to get what you deserve. If you are a tyrant who chooses evil of your own free will, then you were created for hell.

It is justice, goodness and mercy that the bad go to hell as the good go to paradise.
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No, that's what you want to happen so you've decided that your imaginary friend told you that.
 
Thor 2 said:
So God makes people who are purposely defective so He can send them to Hell? :confused:
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Allah creates human beings in the most beautiful way. He gives them free will equal to evil and good. But that person chooses evil of his own free will. God knows even before He creates him that he will choose evil and He creates him to get what he deserves.

Just as it is beautiful to create the good for heaven, it is equally beautiful to give the bad what they deserve.

By the way, the suffering in the world is also because of the sins and evil of the people.

Peace
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Allah creates human beings in the most beautiful way. He gives them free will equal to evil and good. But that person chooses evil of his own free will. God knows even before He creates him that he will choose evil and He creates him to get what he deserves.

Just as it is beautiful to create the good for heaven, it is equally beautiful to give the bad what they deserve.

By the way, the suffering in the world is also because of the sins and evil of the people.

Peace
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You just made all this up. None of it is real. That's what you want to believe so you've decided it's true.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The goal is to get what you deserve. If you are a tyrant who chooses evil of your own free will, then you were created for hell.

It is justice, goodness and mercy that the bad go to hell as the good go to paradise.
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According to the dumb hole Quran, all you have to do to go to hell is not believe in Muhammad's rants.

Do you really think unbelievers in Muhammad should be burnt in hellfire for eternity? Have their skins burnt off and renewed and burnt off again forever.

What justice goodness and mercy is there in that?
 
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