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You don't. The tax stamp application is the "permit" even though it is just proof the tax was paid. The ATF form 4 is sent in with a check for $200, fingerprints, photos then approved in several months and the buyer takes the MG home. The ATF is required by law to consider each application they receive.

The Obama administration did away with the CLEO signature as the most common complaint from NFA firearm owners back then was refusal by the local sheriff to sign. I always thought refusing to sign was stupid; the buyer or maker would just form a LLC or trust to own the firearm instead. Obama's 41F just requires that that the applicant send a copy of the application to the local sheriff now.

It is entirely routine; the ATF is not that picky either. One time I misspelled my name on an application; they approved it. Another time I forgot to sign the form, it was approved and sent back with a post-it note saying I needed to sign my copy.

No states completely ban machine guns. If I remember correctly all but a dozen states allow unlicensed people to own machine guns, the rest require an FFL/SOT. The FFL/SOT is also a routine matter, but the ATF gets more involved in the approval process.

I'm unlikely to ever own a machine gun due to the expense of the pre-86 guns and the expense of the FFL ($200/3 years) and SOT ($1000/year) for the post-86 dealer samples.

What does this **** have to do with the school shooting? Who cares what paperwork needs to be filled out? This guy had an AR-15, I can't imagine anyone but you guys caring about the rest of this, and it's off topic. Start a thread about it.
 
Well, it is pretty easy to run into active gunfire from the comfort of the internet. I imagine this isn't a situation they encounter daily.

Every one of them did nothing.

They outnumbered him and they have training.

Why does it have to be something you encounter daily for you to do the right thing, the thing you are employed to do and are and trained for?
 
What does this **** have to do with the school shooting? Who cares what paperwork needs to be filled out? This guy had an AR-15, I can't imagine anyone but you guys caring about the rest of this, and it's off topic. Start a thread about it.

Theres a reason almost no mass shootings in the US are committed with full auto weapons. Its a difficult expensive and time consuming process to acquire one legally. And illegally, well you'd need some serious underworld connections or the knowledge and tools to modify it yourself.

While acquiring a semi-auto firearm involves going to a gun store or convention or private-party and buying one.
 
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They chose to be cops, and I'm sure not a few of them did so because they were attracted to the idea of being a hero. Well, they had their chance and screwed the pooch.
 
They should prob refund their salaries to date back to the taxpayers of Texas. But the Texans would just buy more guns with it and shoot a hooker.
 
You have too many guns and too many people who will not cooperate with gun control laws to be able to do what the rest of us do.

An interesting comment since some folks the U.S. are calling for more guns.

In the U.S. the myth of the armed citizen who saves the day is bolstered by the times a school/church shooter is gunned down by an armed passerby or a volunteer guard at the 11 o'clock services.

It happens and it's a thing of wonder and praise.

That being so it makes me wonder how many shotguns, automatic rifles and pistols were sitting in gun safes in the blocks around Robb Elementary.

Just a thought.

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Dope Clock II: It's been 346 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
 
You don't. The tax stamp application is the "permit" even though it is just proof the tax was paid. The ATF form 4 is sent in with a check for $200, fingerprints, photos then approved in several months and the buyer takes the MG home. The ATF is required by law to consider each application they receive.
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The approval is the de facto permit. You don't just submit your application and get your gun.


I'm unlikely to ever own a machine gun due to the expense of the pre-86 guns and the expense of the FFL ($200/3 years) and SOT ($1000/year) for the post-86 dealer samples.
Okay, then why would you file multiple applications?
 
An interesting comment since some folks the U.S. are calling for more guns.

In the U.S. the myth of the armed citizen who saves the day is bolstered by the times a school/church shooter is gunned down by an armed passerby or a volunteer guard at the 11 o'clock services.

It happens and it's a thing of wonder and praise.

That being so it makes me wonder how many shotguns, automatic rifles and pistols were sitting in gun safes in the blocks around Robb Elementary.

Just a thought.


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Dope Clock II: It's been 346 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.

Many I'm sure. And if one of the parents had grabbed one and ran to the school what would've been the response by police at the scene? Probably a hail of bullets the second they saw a weapon in someones hand.
 
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That being so it makes me wonder how many shotguns, automatic rifles and pistols were sitting in gun safes in the blocks around Robb Elementary.
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And cars. Probably some in cars. But I dunno if you want a bunch of angry, scared, untrained civilians opening fire all over a school. A lot of them would wind up shooting each other, and the kids around them.
 
What does this **** have to do with the school shooting? Who cares what paperwork needs to be filled out? This guy had an AR-15, I can't imagine anyone but you guys caring about the rest of this, and it's off topic. Start a thread about it.
I was responding to a post that had errors in it. There is nothing wrong with this. If you feel so concerned, then you really need to take it up with the moderation team.
 
Why does it have to be something you encounter daily for you to do the right thing, the thing you are employed to do and are and trained for?

Also, why is "this is something they don't encounter daily" an excuse? I encounter things at my job that I don't "daily encounter" all of the ******* time. Almost...daily. The reason I am able to handle those situations is because I have training and experience. Which these cops, I assume, also had.

Theres a reason almost no mass shootings in the US are committed with full auto weapons. Its a difficult expensive and time consuming process to acquire one legally. And illegally, well you'd need some serious underworld connections or the knowledge and tools to modify it yourself.

While acquiring a semi-auto firearm involves going to a gun store or convention or private-party and buying one.

I don't care, and I can't imagine why anyone else would. I don't see many people, after these events, asking about the ins and outs of getting a gun that wasn't used. Like I said, it's off topic.
 
I was responding to a post that had errors in it. There is nothing wrong with this. If you feel so concerned, then you really need to take it up with the moderation team.

Neat, what does it have to do with this thread or topic at all? None. Do you have something relevant to the "Today's mass shooting"?
 
Just register the Hi-Power w/stock as a short barreled rifle and it's legal. Yes, the laws are complex.

But that would cost more. People go to surprising lengths to get round the extra cost and registration.
 
From my Twitter feed today. I know which source I believe...

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Okay, then why would you file multiple applications?

Because machine guns are not the only NFA registered firearm. Short Barreled rifles, sawed off shotguns and from my memory of Ranb his most likely reason is silencers/suppressors. Unlike machineguns those can still be manufactured and registered.
 
I am pretty certain that the intent isn't to loudly announce/project their forthcoming entry and proudly stand behind the door, taking fire. I think most of us have seen that battering rams don't always work with the efficiency shown in the movies.

They wouldn't choose to use a key simply because of convenience, I'm pretty sure. Like I say, it isn't what you see in an action movie...but it seems pretty efficient, quick, and safer.

But the point is to loudly announce /project the forthcoming entry. It will distract the murderer away from the kids.
 
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