How do we know that places like Narnia do not exist?

See, here's the problem:

Ian doesn't much like the real world. He would like to believe in a lot of things. Problem is, they don't exist, in a real world, unless he can first prove that the real world is not a naturalist/materialist one; then there's wriggle room for all sorts of nonsense.

So he grasps helplessly for terms like 'counter-intuitive' and 'implicit feeling', still apparently unable to realize these things have no validity in the real world.

...while hypocritically returning to a place he claimed to be done with. *shrug* Oh well..
 
friggin el

I hate these fence sitting arguements. It reminds me of blokes sitting around stoned all going oh wow about coincidences and the like. Its a friggin story. The world IS an INCREDIBLE and AMAZING place, beyond what we fantasize it to be. Biotechnology, Micro Biology, NanoTech, Personal Computers, Internet...F*k me, why do people want to live in a fantasy over this? Man, we are surrounded by the most incredible discoveries and the like, yet people still will clutch at straws. Pondering a story or a statement that cant be proved otherwise is not nearly as amazing as to me sitting on my laptop, watching live sport on a projector, hooked to my wireless network, remotely connected to my work pc, distributing applications across other pc's at work.

Ian, its an interesting thought, but surely not worthy of long term discussion. How about quantum mechanics?
 
Interesting Ian said:
The world as interpreted by materialists/atheists has nothing to offer. It is a cold impersonal place where all hope, wonder and purpose is banished.

To be replaced by despair. It is inimical to the yearning spirit.
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No. The world is a place of wonder and mystery, and you would realise this if you would just stop wishing it weren't true.

Edit: Hellaeon already said this better. :)
 
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Interesting Ian said:
It's got nothing to do with whether all is mind or whatever. Once we reject any materialist metaphysic then anything is possible. Infinite possibilities abound. For a kick-off there's the possibility of an ultimate purpose to the Universe, our lives and all things, together with all this implies.
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Why should I care that the Universe has an ultimate purpose?

Seriously.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Interesting point. If rhinos WERE hot pink, we wouldn't all go around with silly smiles on our faces all the time, thinking, "Wow! Rhinos are hot pink!" It would be the norm. We would get used to it. We would see them once in a while on nature shows and think, "Huh! A pink rhino!" then go about our business.

I think in a like manner, if supernatural phenomena were proved to be true, it would get boring real quick. The woos would always strive for something that ISN'T demonstrable, and ignore those wondrous things that are. Just as they do now.
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*grin* Well, we could make a very small case that I might like the rhinos a tetch more on aesthetic grounds, but the point is well taken--wonder and hope rely more upon what we don't have than what we do have. Hell, we call kids who get everything they want "spoiled."

So by that logic, the world with the MOST potential hope and wonder would be where the least was actually real, namely the materialist nothin'-but-the-facts-ma'am one.* So if Ian was really a friend of hope and wonder, he'd be arguing against the reality of stuff like Narnia, and we should thus probably consider him a relentless foe of wonder by his insistence upon feelings proving things to be true and thus removing potential hope and wonder from the world.


*In the absence of a really stripped down minimalist world with very little in it, of course, rather like the Little Prince's planet.**

**I never particularly liked that book.
 
Interesting Ian said:
This has nothing to do with my statement since I am not offering it as an argument. It was simply an observation. I have supplied a vast number of arguments which strongly suggest the materialist/atheist metaphysic is incorrect.
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Ian, what you have supplied is a vast number of arguments that demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that you know little of philosophy, nothing of science, and less than nothing of mathematics, and resist all attempts to teach you anything of those subjects.

There is no magic, Ian. Until you realise that (something that most five-year-olds can understand), you will continue to spend much of your life walking into lamp-posts.
 
After reading this thread, my soon-to-be wife emailed me something so poignant to this thread that I have put the quote in my sig.

Ian: stop being a twat.
 
OK you want proof?

Well, I saw the movie, and the faun looked familiar. It only took me a moment to realise that he was really an actor! I recognised him from a TV show called Shameless, and in that show he has human legs!

Now, if Narnia was real, they'd have real fauns and not just human actors with human legs and have to use cgi to pretend they have faun legs.

I rest my case.

Oh I know what you're going to say, maybe all the real fauns were off sick that day and just because one faun was actually not real doesn't mean all fauns aren't real blah blah blah, but that's just backpedalling. You knew as soon as that actor appeared, that your precious Narnia was just a movie.
 
I can't believe Ian has managed to harvest five pages of attention from an essentially nonsensical OP...
 
fowlsound said:
After reading this thread, my soon-to-be wife emailed me something so poignant to this thread that I have put the quote in my sig.

Ian: stop being a twat.
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"Putz"?? What the hell is a "putz" when it's all at home?? Tell her that I have less than zero interest in the opinions of retards.

That goes for the people on here too. Virtually no one has made any worthwhile arguments which justifies their position that we know that Narnia type Worlds do not exist.

I'm being a twat am I? Why? Because I'm not impressed with drivel and vacuous unsubstantiated assertions? Well, excuse me! :rolleyes:
 
PixyMisa said:
Ian, what you have supplied is a vast number of arguments that demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that you know little of philosophy, nothing of science, and less than nothing of mathematics, and resist all attempts to teach you anything of those subjects.

There is no magic, Ian. Until you realise that (something that most five-year-olds can understand), you will continue to spend much of your life walking into lamp-posts.
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And what you have demonstrated is that you are a complete knucklehead who simply fails to understand the most mind-numbingly simple things imaginable.

I've given up trying to discuss anything with you a long long time ago.

You're a waste of space.
 
Interesting Ian said:
"Putz"?? What the hell is a "putz" when it's all at home?? Tell her that I have less than zero interest in the opinions of retards.

That goes for the people on here too. Virtually no one has made any worthwhile arguments which justifies their position that we know that Narnia type Worlds do not exist.

I'm being a twat am I? Why? Because I'm not impressed with drivel and vacuous unsubstantiated assertions? Well, excuse me! :rolleyes:
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You really don't understand the concept about not being able to prove a negative.

As for your throwing of the names retard, I find that ironic.
 
Beleth said:
Originally Posted by Interesting Ian :
The world as interpreted by materialists/atheists has nothing to offer. It is a cold impersonal place where all hope, wonder and purpose is banished.

Not any moreso than the world as interpreted by idealists/theists.
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Certainly not for this idealist/theist.
 
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