How do we know that places like Narnia do not exist?

Interesting Ian said:
The world as interpreted by materialists/atheists has nothing to offer. It is a cold impersonal place where all hope, wonder and purpose is banished.
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That's nice, but the fact that you want wonder does not constitute proof of the existence of Narnia.

I might think it were more wonderous if rhinos were hot pink, but no matter how much I want the hope and wonder of the pink rhino, rhinos will obstinately continue to be brownish-grey, because reality is not predicated on what I think would be cool.
 
Interesting Ian said:
The real world is not too bleak. Reason shows that the materialist/atheist Weltanschauung is flat out wrong (as I have shown many times on here). Moreover the collective experience of mankind throughout history and across all cultures testifies against this modern western Weltanschauug.
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Care to define this odd word ? And if it's NOT too bleak, what are you talking about ? Or are you just wailing against "the establishment" ?
 
UrsulaV said:
That's nice, but the fact that you want wonder does not constitute proof of the existence of Narnia.

I might think it were more wonderous if rhinos were hot pink, but no matter how much I want the hope and wonder of the pink rhino, rhinos will obstinately continue to be brownish-grey, because reality is not predicated on what I think would be cool.
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This has nothing to do with my statement since I am not offering it as an argument. It was simply an observation. I have supplied a vast number of arguments which strongly suggest the materialist/atheist metaphysic is incorrect.
 
Ian, I think you missed my question:

Let's assume your absurd description for a moment. I'll ask you one more time: How does a world where everything is Mind and I live forever improve the situation? Can I have some specifics?


~~ Paul
 
Interesting Ian said:
This has nothing to do with my statement since I am not offering it as an argument. It was simply an observation. I have supplied a vast number of arguments which strongly suggest the materialist/atheist metaphysic is incorrect.
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What, that there is no God and no spiritual world ? That there are no paranormal phenomena ? Is that what you're referring to ? Or did I miss something ? And, if I did, please provide ONE of those arguments.
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
Ian, I think you missed my question:

Let's assume your absurd description for a moment. I'll ask you one more time: How does a world where everything is Mind and I live forever improve the situation? Can I have some specifics?


~~ Paul
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It's got nothing to do with whether all is mind or whatever. Once we reject any materialist metaphysic then anything is possible. Infinite possibilities abound. For a kick-off there's the possibility of an ultimate purpose to the Universe, our lives and all things, together with all this implies.
 
Belz... said:
What, that there is no God and no spiritual world ? That there are no paranormal phenomena ? Is that what you're referring to ? Or did I miss something ? And, if I did, please provide ONE of those arguments.
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What's a spiritual world?

A rejection of materialism does not necessitate a God, or paranormal phenomena or anything really. It allows for those possibilities though.
 
II: Your response to my clarifying questions? Tell you what, I won't pull the Claus thing on you. If you don't care to discuss it, just say so.
 
Interesting Ian said:
I have supplied a vast number of arguments which strongly suggest the materialist/atheist metaphysic is incorrect.
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None of which I've found even remotely convincing, or in most cases, coherent. But I suppose that's neither here nor there.
 
Ian said:
It's got nothing to do with whether all is mind or whatever. Once we reject any materialist metaphysic then anything is possible. Infinite possibilities abound. For a kick-off there's the possibility of an ultimate purpose to the Universe, our lives and all things, together with all this implies.
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How do infinite possibilities help? What sort of ultimate purpose would make you feel better? Give me a couple of possibilities.

What does the "materialist metaphysic" have to do with anything? Regardless of your preferred metaphysic, there is either evidence for a greater purpose or there isn't. Where's the evidence?

~~ Paul
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
How do infinite possibilities help? What sort of ultimate purpose would make you feel better? Give me a couple of possibilities.

What does the "materialist metaphysic" have to do with anything? Regardless of your preferred metaphysic, there is either evidence for a greater purpose or there isn't. Where's the evidence?

~~ Paul
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It's an implicit feeling and knowing.
 
Interesting Ian said:
The world as interpreted by materialists/atheists has nothing to offer. It is a cold impersonal place where all hope, wonder and purpose is banished.
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Let's say that all the wonderful, magical things are true. Let's say that when we die we leave the "Shadowlands" and go to a wonderful, magical place where we can laugh and play and live forever.

What is there to hope for there? What is the purpose of life there?

This is not a rhetorical question. I would seriously like to hear your answer.

(I personally believe that hope, wonder and purpose are relative, and that this holds just as true in a materialistic universe as in a magical one.)
 
UrsulaV said:
That's nice, but the fact that you want wonder does not constitute proof of the existence of Narnia.

I might think it were more wonderous if rhinos were hot pink, but no matter how much I want the hope and wonder of the pink rhino, rhinos will obstinately continue to be brownish-grey, because reality is not predicated on what I think would be cool.
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Interesting point. If rhinos WERE hot pink, we wouldn't all go around with silly smiles on our faces all the time, thinking, "Wow! Rhinos are hot pink!" It would be the norm. We would get used to it. We would see them once in a while on nature shows and think, "Huh! A pink rhino!" then go about our business.

I think in a like manner, if supernatural phenomena were proved to be true, it would get boring real quick. The woos would always strive for something that ISN'T demonstrable, and ignore those wondrous things that are. Just as they do now.
 
Interesting Ian said:
The world as interpreted by materialists/atheists has nothing to offer. It is a cold impersonal place where all hope, wonder and purpose is banished.
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I'm sorry but I do not share this view that you have. I do not find this world to be cold and impersonal, without hope, without wonder, and without purpose. I define my purpose, I see wonder in everything around me, I find warmth and companionship easily. I see hope in world that is not controlled by a vengefull, inconsistant and vain diety that easily dismisses human life. I try to appreciate and enjoy this existance and not mope around and hope that there's a better one somewhere else.
 
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