How do we know that places like Narnia do not exist?

Interesting Ian said:
Colour is what we experience. I am aware that scientists have hijacked the term for their own purposes, but I'm using the word in the same sense as the vast majority of the human race. A wavelength of light is a wavelength of light. It is not colour.
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Hold on, according to you there cant be light (light should be an experience, why colour and not light?). Furthermore, there cant be any wavelengths (because they would be objective and external to the experience).

So, thanks for playing. NEEXT!
 
PixyMisa said:
Ah, here's a first person account of someone who can see UV light in one eye after cataract surgery. He's published several papers in medical journals on the subject.

Here's a newspaper article about him and UV vision. And here are paintings of water lilies by Monet - before and after his cataract surgery.
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An interesting side note, I read somewhere that a very small amount of UV light does, in fact, get through the cornea. The thing I read described how you could make some "UV" glasses, which were, in all actuality, simply glasses that blocked everything except UV light (one way to make these, IIRC, is to expose film negatives to sunlight until saturated). It is reported that you can, during daytime, see faintly the world around you simply through very blue UV wavelengths. One of these my brother and I are going to make a pair. :D
 
zaayrdragon said:
By his own choice, he is being left behind in the wake of progress, of science, and of truth... and he hates it deeply.

So, Gentle Reader, consider this before replying to Ian: unless you're here to stroke his subjective ego, you might as well address the sky, for all the good it's going to do you.
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Thanks, Zaary. Now I know what Ian means when he calls us "stupid". Obviously, the word means something different in his dictionary; something along the lines of: "you know too much and it threatens my world-view."
 
Ian, are you familiar with the phenomenon of blindsight? I was just reading about this in "Phantoms of the Brain" yesterday. A woman with this affliction had the more highly evolved vision centers in her brain damaged, leaving the primitive areas intact. She was able to detect an object's position perfectly, could see it's color and texture, but was not consciously aware of seeing anything. She was blind, but if asked, could reach out and grasp objects with perfect precision. She could distinguish between a banana and a yellow squash by the color and texture, even though she couldn't see either of them (at least not consciously).

How does this fit into your ideas on visual qualia? In this case, she can see yellow, but doesn't experience yellow.
 
Jeff Corey said:
I think Gabby Johnson is right, too.
And gol dang them gol dang "scientists" fer hijacking the term "bolour"!
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An' there aint no way, no how any cracker croaker is going to break my biscuit cutter!

Rarrit!
 
Allright... that's it.

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I don't think anything more need be said.
 
I think we can call it an entire topic, Bone. Now that we know Ian believes there are no mechanisms involved with idealism, it's pretty clear that we are never going to get any further than we have over the past three years. It shall be nothing but repeat theatre.

~~ Paul
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
it's pretty clear that we are never going to get any further than we have over the past three years.
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Excuse me, three years? It took you three f**king years to work out Ian places subjective experience over objective observation?
That's like saying you only just realised the brick wall you've been banging your head against for three years is hard.
 
Oh, I knew he values subjective over objective. But I hadn't heard him state so emphatically that there is no need to consider the mechanisms in idealism. I see nowhere for the conversation to go now.

You're right, though, I could easily have come to this conclusion a couple of years ago. Call me a cockeyed optimist.

~~ Paul
 
I see Ian as the last bastion of the "old school woo's" that has populated this site. The sad thing is that he is not amusing at all, just obtuse.
 
If Narnia existed, my mother would have a souvenir tea towel she bought there.

She has no such tea towel.

Therefore Narnia does not exist.
QED.
 
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