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The Russian Invasion of the Ukraine.

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I have to believe that there are powerful parts of the Russian government (and not-technically-government-but-you-know) that are thinking that it's time to get Putin out of the driver's seat, and they're probably pretty motivated to act sooner rather than later.

Frankly, if he wanted to find out who wasn't fanatically loyal to him, this would be the way to do it. Much like Julius Caesar learned about Brutus.

Of course, Putin would understand this all better than I, even if he's in a yes-man bubble. What's his plan for staying alive and out of the gulag for the next few weeks?

I suspect tomorrow's Duma emergency convene is precisely this. We'll likely get a perspective on whether he's losing or consolidating power.

The concern is that opposition has not been much of a problem up to now because despite what some above posters have said, there's a critical mass of Russians who are completely aligned with Putin's ambitions and think he's on a mission from god. If the oligarchs and various subordinates turn, that might be their death sentence rather than the kernel of a revolt. It's too early to say.

We're rubbing our hands about a Valkyrie situation, but it's 3am in Moscow/StPetersburg as I type this, this could be a Night Of The Long Knives instead.
 
. It's too early to say.

We're rubbing our hands about a Valkyrie situation, but it's 3am in Moscow/StPetersburg as I type this, this could be a Night Of The Long Knives instead.

I think we're WAY too early for that! Happy to be wrong, tho...

ETA: I mean both ways. I don't think anyone's going to remove Putin, and I don't think he's going to start a serious purge... yet.
 
3. If you do not want WW3, you must give Putin a respectful Out. Demanding his unconditional withdrawal without massaging his grievances will not lead to peace, and may lead to worse things than we have now.

Maybe it isn't Putin that needs to be given an "out". Maybe it's the Oligarchs allied with him who need to be given an out.
 
I have to believe that there are powerful parts of the Russian government (and not-technically-government-but-you-know) that are thinking that it's time to get Putin out of the driver's seat, and they're probably pretty motivated to act sooner rather than later.

Frankly, if he wanted to find out who wasn't fanatically loyal to him, this would be the way to do it. Much like Julius Caesar learned about Brutus.

Of course, Putin would understand this all better than I, even if he's in a yes-man bubble. What's his plan for staying alive and out of the gulag for the next few weeks?
I bet part of the issue is that nobody in Russia wants Putin's job right now. For sure whoever takes over would immediately lose the support of the very large segment of the Russian people who actually like the dude and want to keep him.
 
despite what some above posters have said, there's a critical mass of Russians who are completely aligned with Putin's ambitions and think he's on a mission from god.

I would like to add a personal anecdote to this.

I just retired from a global company with employees from dozens of countries. I have worked with probably a hundred Russians over the past few years. Mostly software engineers.

The need to end Ukraine as a country was voiced very openly, because they took it for granted as a fact like water being wet and rocks being hard. They wanted the Ukrainian government hanged in a public square, along with all their extended families, to end the blood lines.

These were educated, intelligent, otherwise normal people with PhDs who shared their cat photos on Instagram, but talked about how they looked forward to borderline genocide in Ukraine, with no self awareness that they might be the baddies in this scenario. They are 25 year old men who do not remember a time before Putin.


ETA: I read my post and realized I may have given the impression that every Russian I've worked with shared this view openly with me. That's not the case, but it was probably over half of them. I attribute this to looking slavic in appearance, perhaps they thought I was a peer.
 
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I know the thread moves fast, and no one has 40 minutes[*] to listen to an analysis. But maybe you have the time? Then watch John J Mearsheimer talk about the failures of the USA in their unipolar moment (after 1991), when they thought they could now spread liberal democracy around the world and usher in an age of peace and prosperity, because country after country would turn into a liberal democracy and become really nice and useful.

Turning a country to become a liberal democracy has three goals: the first is, of course, to implement democracy, the second is to embed the country into the economic system (i.e. capitalism, essentially), and thirdly to embed the country in international organizations, like WTO, IMF, EU, ect, so rules to play by are established and accepted.

This talk was in February 2020, two years ago.
He identified three specific cases where US international policy failed big time:

1. The first was of course the Bush government believing they could turn Afghanistan, then Iraq, into democracies and well-behaving members of the international community, that other countries would follow like dominos, and this would solve the problems of proliferation and terrorism in due time. Okay, we all know, this failed. Completely.
3. The third case involves China: US policy was keen to help China develop into a capitalist system, to get them into organizations like the WTO - and the hope was that China would eventually become more and more liberal and perhaps even a democracy, somehow, eventually. BUT this only helped China become richer sooner, and develop into a formidable peer competitor, and so the unipolar moment is already gone, we are in a multipolar world, where realism must carry the day, not liberalism. In short: We made China dangerous for us.
2. But the second case example is Ukraine - the idea of luring them to the capitalist west, supporting color revolutions to implement liberal democracy, and invite them into organizations - the EU. Why was this a bad idea? Because of nationalism - Russian nationalism.

Mearsheimer is a leading proponent of the REALIST school of international relations: He says the strongest political idea in the world today is nationalism: You tread on a country's toes, you threaten it, you meddle in its affairs, and you will encourage and embolden and trigger the nationalist instincts. And, he argues, "nationalism trumps liberalism", and "realism trumps liberalism".

His advice is for liberal democracies (he very much likes liberal democracies) to be realistic about what really motivates illiberal non-democracies, and take that into account - and that means recognize their nationalist tendencies, and act accordingly.

He says, explicitly (if jokingly) that he would rather advise his adversary to invade another country, for that is never a good idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZVIaXFN2lU

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So, if I may apply a bit of Mearheimer thinking to the current crisis: According to that theory, it was a bad idea for Russia to go into Ukraine, for that ramps up their nationalism - which is makes them at least a peer competitor.


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[*] The video is 1:26 hours, but Mearsheimer's actual analysis starts after 5 minutes, and he is done at 44 minutes, after which he takes questions.
 
I see Moldova and Georgia have applied to the EU

I can't see how this is not suicidal.
It's not like EU will send an army to defend them against Russian invasion. That's just not feasible at this time. And they are much smaller and weaker than Ukraine.
 
Sadly, I think Putin's response would be to call them traitors and put them on the Polonium Cocktail list.

EXACTLY - that was my point.

Why are the feeling it's more in their interests (excepting the Kremlin spokesmen's daughter, who I know nothing about and she might be naive or idealistic) to snub the strongman when he's liable to lash out than to stand 100% by him?

It was the hard-headed calculations that came to that conclusion.
 
Yes, the Russians can take the cities though sheer numbers, though a very,very, high cost .
That is if VLad the Impaler sends in his good troops. instead of the conscript divisions he seems to be using.

They still need to get there and that is bit harder without fuel.

Sadly, I think Putin's response would be to call them traitors and put them on the Polonium Cocktail list.
If Putin pushes them into lose-lose situation, their response might surprise him.
 
I can't see how this is not suicidal.
It's not like EU will send an army to defend them against Russian invasion. That's just not feasible at this time. And they are much smaller and weaker than Ukraine.

Wouldn't this be a good time to send a company each, when it can have maximum impact, rather than later, when they're fighting alone? It might be time for lots of smaller, weaker people to cage the bear.

He might threaten to nuke all of them. Prevailing winds in Eastern Europe are into Russia, so that might be a bad idea on its own...
 
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They still need to get there and that is bit harder without fuel.

If Putin pushes them into lose-lose situation, their response might surprise him.

Exactly.

I still think the odds are in favour of Putin retaining power. But before this, it wasn't even a question.
 
I can't see how this is not suicidal.
It's not like EU will send an army to defend them against Russian invasion. That's just not feasible at this time. And they are much smaller and weaker than Ukraine.

EU might. At least they're supposed to.

EU has a CSDP, which is a mutual defence commitment. It's never been tested.

reference: Common Security and Defence PolicyWP

My feeling is that it's NATO Lite, in that it's faster to get membership, and nobody's going to expect you to let them park their nukes in your yard.
 
The production company behind the American version of the Russian state-funded network RT laid off most of its staff on Thursday, according to a memo obtained by CNN.

Misha Solodovnikov, the general manager of the production company, T&R Productions, told staff that it will be “ceasing production” at all of its locations “as a result of unforeseen business interruption events.””Unfortunately, we anticipate this layoff will be permanent, meaning that this will result in the permanent separation from employment of most T&R employees at all locations,” Solodovnikov wrote in his memo to employees.

The layoffs would mean an effective end to RT America. The network, one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s main mouthpieces in the US, was dropped earlier this week by DirecTV. The satellite carrier was one of the two major television providers in the US to carry the network.

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"A lot of people were shocked," the person said. "A lot of people were crying."

An RT America host, who also spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity, said that she watched as her entire staff was told "their jobs were no more."

"I have never felt more heartbroken as they have nothing to do with this conflict and seriously were just trying to make a decent living to provide for their families," the host said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/03/media/rt-america-layoffs/index.html

Maybe they can get a job that doesn't involve spreading Russian propaganda.
 
Would you hire them? Maybe to flip burgers or something, but I think they can kiss their media careers goodbye.
 
(excepting the Kremlin spokesmen's daughter, who I know nothing about and she might be naive or idealistic)

She was just added to US blocking sanctions today, as they have extended the seizure lists to immediate family using allegedly proceeds of crime of the parent.

I think it's fair. Furthermore, interesting she didn't have an opinion yesterday when hundreds of Ukrainian civilians were getting blown up, but now it's her shoe collection on the line, SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT THIS!
 
I can't see how this is not suicidal.
It's not like EU will send an army to defend them against Russian invasion. That's just not feasible at this time. And they are much smaller and weaker than Ukraine.

It appears the president of Belarus let slip that Moldova is getting invaded no matter what anyways. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1498684008288423936 If you look close you can see red lines crossing into Moldova.

Nearby to Georgia is another small very oil rich former SSR, Azerbaijan. Have to wonder if they're next, or if they're already buddy buddy with Putin.
 
She was just added to US blocking sanctions today, as they have extended the seizure lists to immediate family using allegedly proceeds of crime of the parent.

I think it's fair. Furthermore, interesting she didn't have an opinion yesterday when hundreds of Ukrainian civilians were getting blown up, but now it's her shoe collection on the line, SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT THIS!

Oh yea, the self interest is obvious, but hey, at least it's actually motivating her. If we can strangle the finances of enough oligarchs the economy will collapse even faster. Quite honestly I'd keep crushing their economy into the ground even after they remove Putin and start asking if maybe they can have their money back now?
 
EU might. At least they're supposed to.

EU has a CSDP, which is a mutual defence commitment. It's never been tested.

reference: Common Security and Defence PolicyWP

My feeling is that it's NATO Lite, in that it's faster to get membership, and nobody's going to expect you to let them park their nukes in your yard.

It would be totally transparent that he ONLY reason for Georgia to join the EU is to fall under this CSDP provision, i.e. to draw EU countries into a direct military confrontation - a war - with Russia.
Which no one in any EU country (except maybe Romania in the case of Moldova) could remotely be interested in - after all, it's already quite a load to stay vigilant on Ukraine's western border.
I don't see this change in the near future - but I can easily see Russia invading Moldova and Georgia in the near future. They now have the excuse.
 
Would you hire them? Maybe to flip burgers or something, but I think they can kiss their media careers goodbye.

Au contraire. Their credentials make them a headhunt for probably a dozen kookland operations around the USA. Whatcha bet Steve Bannon's getting his HR department to drop them a line.

If there's a job for Kellyanne Conway out there, there must be work for these stooges.
 
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