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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

The Wrong have up and decided that a constant state of "No I don't want to talk about that, I want to talk about this!" is their best tactic.
 
d4m10n said:
Nope, it's nothing like that.

No one is saying it's okay to be racist or okay to compare everyday people to Nazis.

I would go so far as to say folks like EaglePuncher and Gina Carano shouldn't be fired for the latter offense, though.
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Neither would be names that I would expect Disney to invest millions of dollars in.

Sorry, EaglePuncher. You can stop checking your mail.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The Wrong have up and decided that a constant state of "No I don't want to talk about that, I want to talk about this!" is their best tactic.
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To the extent that this isn't just a ploy by right wing trolls, I wonder if it's just "civility cargo cult".

I mean, it would be nice if accusing people of spouting fascist propaganda was not a reasonable thing to say about the public discourse, but that's not where we are. Plenty of "everyday" people these days are quite clearly aligning themselves with neo-fascist ideology.

I could see how someone not thinking too carefully might end up making "Godwin" complaints when someone spouting off fascist propaganda is rightly compared to a nazi.

It's like someone complaining about screaming in the street, not caring to notice one person is screaming about a madman with a gun, and the other person screaming is the madman.

Carano's recent "manufactured crisis" comments seems to shine a clearer light on her previous comments. It's not like we haven't see these types of one-toe-in-the-water conspiracy comments before from others. Carano's playing footsy with fascist tropes.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
To the extent that this isn't just a ploy by right wing trolls, I wonder if it's just "civility cargo cult".

I mean, it would be nice if accusing people of spouting fascist propaganda was not a reasonable thing to say about the public discourse, but that's not where we are. Plenty of "everyday" people these days are quite clearly aligning themselves with neo-fascist ideology.

I could see how someone not thinking too carefully might end up making "Godwin" complaints when someone spouting off fascist propaganda is rightly compared to a nazi.
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I don't want to hijack this thread too much and it would take me a while to lay out my exact thoughts with a reasonable level of detail so upfront caveat this is a very broad and vague statement with a lot of nuance that I just don't have it in me right now to get across.

But, short and overly simple version, discourse in 2022 is watching pretty much nothing but every thing about rhetoric ever being poisoned, perverted, and used against us.

Every single possible way of putting across a point has been ruined. And not just ruined but turned against people who are at least trying to be good and not being Proudly Wrong.

There is not good way to say or word or argue anything left. It's all been pissed on.
 
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Lithrael said:
I’ll try one more time.

You have in this discussion used the same type of redacted-quoted-word stuff in talking about this issue as the professor used talking about another issue on the test. If that sort of thing is not evidence that you are insensitive then how can it be evidence that he is insensitive?

It’s pretty funny that you are being so snarky with me when I basically agree with you at least 90%. That last ten percent is catching me a lot of flak!
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Sigh, I DID NOT "use the same type of redacted-quoted-word stuff in talking about this issue as the professor . I typed the words in full and let the AUTO CENSOR OF ISF take care of it.

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EaglePuncher said:
Sigh, I DID NOT "use the same type of redacted-quoted-word stuff in talking about this issue as the professor . I typed the words in full and let the AUTO CENSOR OF ISF take care of it.
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Perhaps I am using the wrong language, and should be arguing by meme. Ahem.

Okay. But that’s worse. You… you do get how that’s worse, right?
 
EaglePuncher said:
You could make an actual point, that would be a start..
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Nah, that’s ok, I already said my bit about the Kilborn situation and tried to engage with your responses in good faith. You are the first person I’ve run into here that actually does seem to feel that if someone evaluates a whole thread full of complaints of racist behaviour and in one single case isn’t convinced by the evidence available so far, they should be spoken to as though they were a veritable bag of dicks.
 
Lithrael said:
Nah, that’s ok, I already said my bit about the Kilborn situation and tried to engage with your responses in good faith. You are the first person I’ve run into here that actually does seem to feel that if someone evaluates a whole thread full of complaints of racist behaviour and in one single case isn’t convinced by the evidence available so far, they should be spoken to as though they were a veritable bag of dicks.
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I asked you multiple times, you kept claiming that censoring the insults was totally cool, I keep claiming that replacing the censored insults with "insults/racial slurs were used" is completely reasonable, then you keep whining that you're not convinced and now I am telling you that absolutely nobody cares if you are convinced or not. :rolleyes:
 
It sounds like Jon Stewart, who we remember was a staunch defender of Joe Rogan when he spewed and platformed Covid contrarians every day, is upset with Fox News, and Rupert Murdoch in particular, for allowing Tucker Carlson to... well... let's hear it...

Stewart later questioned why Fox founder Rupert Murdoch was “trying to destroy the fabric of this country.”

“I don’t know if it’s ideological or he just thinks, this is where the money is,” Stewart said. “But how somebody can in good conscience put a ******** like that on television every night to say those types of things? That’s where the responsibility lies in my mind.”
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Ah! Responsibility and where it lies! Thanks for that clarification Jon. I think others pointed that out to you.

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William Walter Smith

JoeMorgue said:
Black people couldn't even go to those school 50 years ago and the Right didn't call that "Cancel Culture" and have a big showy handwringing session where they pretended to worry about freedom of speech.

So, and I cannot stress this enough, I don't believe them when they lie about how worried about it they are now.

"Oh that's not the right question" is a very bad way of going "I'm wrong but I either don't want it to matter or don't want to admit it."
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There first African-American to graduate from the University of Illinois did so in 1900. I am not sure about the University of Illinois at Chicago, specifically; the Google-Fu is not strong in me. Ithink that your timeline is a bit off, but I am not sure how important that is. To the best of my ability to gauge, no one in this thread is defending not allowing African-Americans access to education, whenever and wherever it took place. I previously asked you to explain its relevance to this topic.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
. To the best of my ability to gauge, no one in this thread is defending not allowing African-Americans access to education, whenever and wherever it took place. I previously asked you to explain its relevance to this topic.
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Listen there's already a Missing the Point Champion in this thread who is so good at it you'll never hope to take his title.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just didn't notice the 50 previous times I've explained this.

My point is for... *checks notes* all of society for *checks notes again* all time ever people have been putting influence on other people. And nobody though to call that "Cancel Culture" or make any other big scary term for it until, basically, people used to being in comfortable positions of power started having societal pressure used against them.

It's a grown up version of that friend we all had growing up who would beat you 10 times in a row at Mortal Kombat but as soon you were getting close to winning a round would reach down and turn of the SNES.
 
the incident in which names were confused

Lithrael said:
Yeah that and the I-just-innocently-can’t-figure-out-your-name thing is pretty insufferable in a teacher. Great illustration in Addams Family Values with the camp counselors who just can’t figure out how to say Jamal, complete with cringy faces and apologetic shrugs.

https://youtu.be/rVQqQuOO9yQ
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The mix-up happened during a lecture. I consider a lecture to be akin to a performance, and there are yet more moving parts when one has to record lectures for students that are quarantining, for example. I can speak from personal experience that if one little thing goes wrong, I go blank, get flustered, and have a hard time getting back into the flow.

There were two students and one provided their name whereas the other preferred to be anonymous. It was the anonymous student who alleged that there was more than one time that names were mixed-up. I would give that account more credibility if it came from someone who was not anonymous (or if there were a second source). It also sounds as if the lecturer's attempt to explain only got him into more hot water. There may be a practical lesson in that.
 
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angrysoba said:
It sounds like Jon Stewart, who we remember was a staunch defender of Joe Rogan when he spewed and platformed Covid contrarians every day, is upset with Fox News, and Rupert Murdoch in particular, for allowing Tucker Carlson to... well... let's hear it...



Ah! Responsibility and where it lies! Thanks for that clarification Jon. I think others pointed that out to you.

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There seems to be this weird clique-y thing with comedians in the which they reflexively defend each other regardless of their ideologies.
 
An opinion piece in the New York Times (of all places.) on the culture of fear that exists in US Universities.


Each week, I seek out the office hours of a philosophy department professor willing to discuss with me complex ethical questions raised by her course on gender and sexuality. We keep our voices lowered, as if someone might overhear us.

Hushed voices and anxious looks dictate so many conversations on campus at the University of Virginia, where I’m finishing up my senior year.

A friend lowers her voice to lament the ostracization of a student who said something well-meaning but mildly offensive during a student club’s diversity training. Another friend shuts his bedroom door when I mention a lecture defending Thomas Jefferson from contemporary criticism. His roommate might hear us, he explains.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/07/opinion/campus-speech-cancel-culture.html
 
Another friend shuts his bedroom door when I mention a lecture defending Thomas Jefferson from contemporary criticism. His roommate might hear us, he explains.
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“and if he hears us, he’ll start again saying ‘oh yeah because it was totally cool at the time to father multiple children with someone you literally owned, I mean, who wasn’t doing that back then? I mean, besides John Adams, obviously. And Thomas Paine. And Alexander Hamilton. And Benjamin Franklin. And.. hey why are you shutting the door?’ and that’d just be embarrassing and I don’t need that on a Tuesday afternoon when I need to be studying for finals.”
 
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