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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

JoeMorgue said:
This is the same thing as the "Liberals overplay the race card, therefore I get to be racist" argument.
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Nope, it's nothing like that.

No one is saying it's okay to be racist or okay to compare everyday people to Nazis.

I would go so far as to say folks like EaglePuncher and Gina Carano shouldn't be fired for the latter offense, though.
 
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d4m10n said:
Nope, it's nothing like that.

No one is saying it's okay to be racist or okay to compare everyday people to Nazis.

I would go so far as to say EaglePuncher and Carano shouldn't be fired for the latter offense, though.
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No it's exactly the same. Figure it out on your own, I'm done explaining reality to you over and over.

I've "cancelled" you for being insufferable to talk to.
 
d4m10n said:
Nope, it's nothing like that.

No one us saying it's okay to be racist or okay to compare everyday people to Nazis.
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It's not a rhetorical flourish when the people being compared to nazis are trivializing the Holocaust.

You understand there's a meaningful difference between some idiot calling the mall cop a Nazi because they won't let them skateboard in the parking lot and pointing out that trivializing the Holocaust, which is something that the "mainstream" conservative movement is getting much more comfortable with, is a soft form of Holocaust denial.

It's not Godwinning when we're talking about anti-vaxxers sewing gold stars onto their clothing as a political stunt, nor when Carano does her own form of Holocaust trivialization. Now that's she moving on to making claims about the generic "them" controlling the public through manufactured global crisis, it's quite clear what path she's on.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
It's not Godwinning ... when Carano does her own form of Holocaust trivialization.
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Can you explain how you've concluded she was trivializing the Holocaust rather than hyperbolizing current events?

Here is the quote itself:
Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children.

Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?
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That doesn't sound like trivialization to me, it sounds like she takes it fairly seriously.

It's ridiculous to compare the hate directed at modern political conservatives to the hate directed at ethnic minorities in 20th c. Europe, but making terrible analogies is pretty commonplace.
 
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d4m10n said:
Can you explain how you've concluded she was trivializing the Holocaust rather than hyperbolizing current events?
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I fail to see the difference.

Either she knows she's trivializing it, or she's too out of touch with reality to realize she's trivializing it. Her intentions are largely irrelevant to the impact of her idiotic statements. I guess that's the difference between a cynical Nazi and a gullible rube Nazi.
 
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d4m10n said:
Can you explain how you've concluded she was trivializing the Holocaust rather than hyperbolizing current events?
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*Very slowly* Because her comparison is wrong and stupid.

"Hyperbole" isn't the only factor in everything. Go touch grass.
 
EaglePuncher said:
What? I was not talking about or your not existing point at all :rolleyes: I explained how the question could have been written. But oh well :rolleyes:
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I’m confused. He did use redacted “n____” and “b____” just like that in the quote on the test question. He didn’t use them written out fully.

Oh! Oh oh ok. I see now that I didn’t parse one of your posts correctly. Ok I get what you were saying. That he could have said “this type of language was used” instead of “person said n-word.”

That is however not a rebuttal to my point which is, you have in this discussion used the same type of redacted-quoted-word stuff in talking about this issue as the professor used talking about another issue on the test. If it’s not evidence that you are insensitive then how can it be evidence that he is insensitive?
 
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Absolutely baffled in a situation where conservatives compare every mild policy they don't like to being put on the cattle cars, but the accusations of Godwinning are applied to their critics rightly pointing out their comfort with soft Holocaust denial.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Absolutely baffled in a situation where conservatives compare every mild policy they don't like to being put on the cattle cars, but the accusations of Godwinning are applied to their critics rightly pointing out their comfort with soft Holocaust denial.
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The same "Yeah I know I have one standards for me and another for you, dare you to do something about it" flex as everything else.

Again if you have no morals or sense of shame it's a wonderful place to be.
 
*Black people aren't even allowed in the school*
(Silence.)
*Black people are segregated*
(Silence)
*Black people don't just sit there and accept racist teachers*
OMG IS THIS CANCEL CULTURE? CAN WE HAVE A TALK ABOUT NOT CENSORING IDEAS? SO YOU WANT TO PUNISH PEOPLE JUST FOR HAVING A DIFFERENT OPINION!
 
Lithrael said:
Oh! Oh oh ok. I see now that I didn’t parse one of your posts correctly. Ok I get what you were saying. That he could have said “this type of language was used” instead of “person said n-word.”
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Wow look at you, took you almost no time to understand. I am proud of you.


Lithrael said:
That is however not a rebuttal to my point which is, you have in this discussion used the same type of redacted-quoted-word stuff in talking about this issue as the professor used talking about another issue on the test. If it’s not evidence that you are insensitive then how can it be evidence that he is insensitive?
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You did not have a point to begin with, so why would there a rebuttal?
 
More cancel culture!

Berkeley yoga studio fires co-founder whose boyfriend made the antisemitic flyers dropped in the hills
The owner of Hella Yoga found that his business partner, Kelly Johnson, had used company computers to register a business for her boyfriend to spread hate.

The owner of a Berkeley yoga studio has broken with a co-founder because she won’t denounce the views of her boyfriend, a vocal white supremacist linked to the blanketing of the Berkeley Hills last month with flyers claiming COVID-19 is “a Jewish agenda.”

Jeff Renfro co-founded Hella Yoga with his wife, Lynn Whitlow, and a business partner, Kelly Johnson, about six years ago. Johnson is the longtime girlfriend of Jon Minadeo Jr., a Petaluma resident behind a group called the Goyim Defense League, known for social media and publicity stunts spreading its antisemitic, racist and anti-LGBT views.
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https://www.berkeleyside.org/2022/03/01/berkeley-hella-yoga-antisemitic-flyers

I don't see how distributing neo-nazi flyers around the neighborhood in his free time has anything to do with his qualities as a yoga instructor. This firing is unjust!
 
EaglePuncher said:
You did not have a point to begin with, so why would there a rebuttal?
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I’ll try one more time.

You have in this discussion used the same type of redacted-quoted-word stuff in talking about this issue as the professor used talking about another issue on the test. If that sort of thing is not evidence that you are insensitive then how can it be evidence that he is insensitive?

It’s pretty funny that you are being so snarky with me when I basically agree with you at least 90%. That last ten percent is catching me a lot of flak!
 
Dr. Keith said:
Mixing up names can be a part of an abusive environment.
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Yeah that and the I-just-innocently-can’t-figure-out-your-name thing is pretty insufferable in a teacher. Great illustration in Addams Family Values with the camp counselors who just can’t figure out how to say Jamal, complete with cringy faces and apologetic shrugs.

https://youtu.be/rVQqQuOO9yQ
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
If you are implying that by not mentioning book banning, the people who do bring up "Jingle Bells" are hypocritical, then you are using a tu quoque argument, not that the above is the only time this particular logical fallacy has been used here.
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That's not a tu quoque. Some more might accuse you of 'not knowing how to argue' but it appears you're just missing the key part of johnny karate's post. He explicitly says the focus on grievances such as 'jingle bells' and 'how many times can I say the n-word before getting training' but not spending time on what would be the much more egregious and impactful examples of the problem others claim to be the topic argues against the thesis of the thread (that 'cancel culture' is a problem). One cannot 'deflect' from the topic with the topic. The thread isn't about 'jingle bells and the n word', it's supposedly about the problems of 'cancel culture'. The use of 'cancel culture' is claimed to be one thing, when if it were that one thing the examples johnny cites would be the core of the discussion.

It means people aren't using the term as they claim. This isn't a tu quoque or simply hypocrisy; it's the falsifying of assertions.
 
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Yeah I think you’re right Tyr. It was about “what behaviour counts as cancel culture,” not about “why talk about ‘this’ when you do ‘that.’” Cancel culture for me but not for thee!
 
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