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Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial

smartcooky said:
Bringing racial animus into the state trial would have been a distraction, especially as the prosecution already knew the Feds were bringing hate crime charges case against them.
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I get that. I guess it just bugs me that every fool piece of alternative universe fan fiction about what Arbury was doing or think or even could have been doing or thinking or what me might have done in the future all go drug out at the trial but the trial had to dance around the obvious motivation the 3 attackers had.

I mean in the end it worked out so, ya know good. Just weird that we had to separate it.

It's like having one trial for someone killing their wife and ANOTHER trial to prove he was jealous she slept with the mailman.
 
Thermal said:
Again, many times this has been answered. He was not in a car. He did not have to stay on the asphalt for any reason at all.
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I didn't read through your whole bull **** line of reasoning before because I didn't really care. If I'm being honest, I still really don't because both of us are attempting to mind read in this situation. So honestly, outside of this post, I doubt I'll even bother. It's a stupid argument to have in general.

Thermal said:
Seriously, have none of you guys ever had to run from a cop when you were kids?
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All the time.

Thermal said:
If a police car is in the street, you run off the ******* street.
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You could, but these guys aren't cops. I have no reason to believe they'd have any issue in driving through people's yards and if Arbery would have left the road they could have easily seen that as an escalation and shot at him that way.

Thermal said:
Putt yourself in that position, and give me one solid reason why you think Arbery was too ******* stupid to leave the paved road to escape. We've all seen the pics of the street. He had a means of escape. My argument has been that he appears to have been unafraid of these fat cowards. For this, he has my respect.
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Where? To someone else's house? He's mother ******* literally being chased for being on someone else's property, and so you're suggesting that he should have....gone on to someone else's property? Do you realize that could have literally justified their shooting at him because at that point he would be trespassing in their presence? No one is implying he was too stupid. Perhaps he was smarter than some making arguments here. Thoughts?

Thermal said:
Which is my point, although I disagree that he was "cornered", because, you know, of the fact that he demonstrably wasn't.
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He might not have physically been. You're right, kind of. That doesn't mean that he wasn't physically tired, emotionally frightened, and felt like he was out of options. Just because you watch a ******* video, look at it and think, "I would have done this, I would have done that, he wasn't cornered, he had options" means exactly, 100% **** all. You weren't there. You didn't feel his physical exertion, you had no idea what his mind was processing. Quit acting like you do.
 
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Thermal said:
Putt yourself in that position, and give me one solid reason why you think Arbery was too ******* stupid to leave the paved road to escape.
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Are you seriously trying to suggest that ANY black boy being chased through a white neighbourhood by armed Georgia Good 'Ol Boys in pickup trucks should try to take a shortcut through a white person's private property? I mean seriously? You seriously believe that would have been his best course of action?
 
plague311 said:
I didn't read through your whole bull **** line of reasoning before because I didn't really care. If I'm being honest, I still really don't because both of us are attempting to mind read in this situation. So honestly, outside of this post, I doubt I'll even bother. It's a stupid argument to have in general.
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******* literally LOL. "I didn't read your argument but I have a lot of opinions on it that I don't care about and rehash the details and argue about it again in this very post". I seriously couldn't have parodied it any better.

Where? To someone else's house? He's mother ******* literally being chased for being on someone else's property, and so your suggesting that he should have....gone on to someone else's property. Do you realize that could have literally justified their shooting at him because at that point he would be trespassing in their presence?
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Arbery likely had no idea why these three were chasing him around. Who's mind reading now?

And more to the point: there's a guy with a shotgun standing in the road fifty yards ahead of you. Do you run to the cover 20 feet away on either side of you, or continue moving straight towards the ******* gunman? This isn't rocket science to put yourself in Amaud's position.

You charge if you think he is not going to shoot, or will hesitate long enough. You duck away if you think he will. Trespassing is very secondary to a gun pointed at your face, odds of survival-wise.

No one is implying he was too stupid. Perhaps he was smarter than some making argument here. Thoughts?
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If you think he was unable to leave the asphalt for any reason and was cornered on it, that's either one dumb-ass argument or you assume he was too dumb to figure out that he could leave it.

He might not have physically been. You're right, kind of. That doesn't mean that he wasn't physically tired, emotionally frightened, and felt like he was out of options. Just because you watch a ******* video, look at it and think, "I would have done this, I would have done that, he wasn't cornered, he had options" means exactly, 100% **** all. You weren't there. You didn't feel his physical exertion, you had no idea what his mind was processing. Quit acting like you do.
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And yet I am free to consider the evidence and propose what seems most likely. You can too. We all do so, in fact. On virtually every thread.

But as you say, you have no idea what the argument is or how it came about, while having many opinions on it. See ya on the next one.
 
smartcooky said:
Are you seriously trying to suggest that ANY black boy being chased through a white neighbourhood by armed Georgia Good 'Ol Boys in pickup trucks should try to take a shortcut through a white person's private property? I mean seriously? You seriously believe that would have been his best course of action?
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As opposed to running straight at the very real threat of a shotgun-wielding psycho right dead in front of me? Hell yes. The abstract threat of someone else possibly appearing out of nowhere and shooting you during the split second you dash across his lawn is exponentially less a threat than a ******* redneck standing in the ******* road actually pointing a ******* shotgun at your face.

I seriously can't believe this.
 
Thermal said:
As opposed to running straight at the very real threat of a shotgun-wielding psycho right dead in front of me? Hell yes. The abstract threat of someone else possibly appearing out of nowhere and shooting you during the split second you dash across his lawn is exponentially less a threat than a ******* redneck standing in the ******* road actually pointing a ******* shotgun at your face.

I seriously can't believe this.
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What I seriously can't believe is someone mocking everyone else because they don't subscribe to their pet theory of "when you're being chased by rednecks who think you broke the law, you should totally break the law".

You can keep mocking me for not reading your theory, but I've read it here and now. It's just as lame as those who have been mocking you for it have made it out to be. The one thing that put these ******** in prison was that Arbery DIDN'T BREAK THE GOD DAMN, MOTHER ******* LAW. Yet they chased him and gunned him down. Your answer to this is to break the law in front of them, blatantly, as if they wouldn't have just chased him down again and murdered him for breaking the law in front of them. Which, had he ran through yards, he would have been caught on camera trespassing. I mean, Jesus Christ. But yeah, everyone else is wrong but you. You're the only magical mind here that's figured this all out. Get over yourself, you're wrong. Proudly wrong.
 
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plague311 said:
What I seriously can't believe is someone mocking everyone else because they don't subscribe to their pet theory of "when you're being chased by rednecks who think you broke the law, you should totally break the law".

You can keep mocking me for not reading your theory, but I've read it here and now. It's just as lame as those who have been mocking you for it have made it out to be. The one thing that put these ******** in prison was that Arbery DIDN'T BREAK THE GOD DAMN, MOTHER ******* LAW. Yet they chased him and gunned him down. Your answer to this is to break the law in front of them, blatantly, as if they wouldn't have just chased him down again and murdered him for breaking the law in front of them. Which, had he ran through yards, he would have been caught on camera trespassing. I mean, Jesus Christ. But yeah, everyone else is wrong but you. You're the only magical mind here that's figured this all out. Get over yourself, you're wrong. Proudly wrong.
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I'm bored out of my mind with repeating this, but since you apparently need it:

I know Arbery was doing nothing wrong. I said so many times, and even posed the argument that checking out construction sites is the most normal, everyday thing in the world. Happens on my sites on the daily.

Do you understand this? Arbery did nothing wrong. At all. The murderers were entirely 100% in the wrong. I have said so since the beginning of the original thread, and have not wavered an inch.

My "theory" as you inexplicably call it, was a minor sidebar argument to other posters' hyperbolic projections of fear and exhaustion. I think the evidence showed that he was much more collected and confident.

That's it. That's all it is about. Yet here we are again. It ain't me that keeps bringing this up. It was Darat on this round, and behold: another dogpile, ignoring every direct answer I provide repeatedly.

The forum wants a boogeyman to argue against. Theres no actual opposing views being presented. So our less astute members pretend I am arguing against...something...to have their boogeyman battle.
 
Thermal said:
As opposed to running straight at the very real threat of a shotgun-wielding psycho right dead in front of me? Hell yes. The abstract threat of someone else possibly appearing out of nowhere and shooting you during the split second you dash across his lawn is exponentially less a threat than a ******* redneck standing in the ******* road actually pointing a ******* shotgun at your face.

I seriously can't believe this.
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I seriously can't believe this!

- Have you watched ANY of the video?
- Have you seen all the changes of direction Arbery made as that lynch mob chased him?
- You do realise, don't you, that Satilla Shores is on an isthmus, that it is surrounded by deep swamp on three sides, and that the only way to get out of the neighbourhood was through the intersection of Satilla Drive and Zellwood Drive on the narrowest part of the isthmus?

Cutting through private private property not only could have got him shot, it would have left him trapped because those houses are all surrounded by dense bush, and they mostly have six foot high fences at the backs of the properties between the house curtilages and the bush. And he would have known that because he was a regular jogger through that neighbourhood, and therefore quite familiar with its layout. There was no way for him to escape the area if he left the road.
 
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Why do I feel like at the end of this nobody is going to learn that they could have possibly been wrong. The good old boys with guns will die thinking they were protecting their neighbors. The one man film crew will die thinking he was just helping them out. The Prosecutor will go to her great reward knowing in her heart that these were good men trying to do right by the community. And this board will be asking “but how fast was he running” for years after everyone in this thread is pushing up daisies. And for that, I blame Lisa.
 
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smartcooky said:
- Have you watched ANY of the video?
- Have you seen all the changes of direction Arbery made as that lynch mob chased him?
- You do realise, don't you, that Satilla Shores is on an isthmus, that it is surrounded by deep swamp on three sides, and that the only way to get out of the neighbourhood was through the intersection of Satilla Drive and Zellwood Drive on the narrowest part of the isthmus?
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What does this have to do with anything? Arbery had one live threat in front of him: a butterball redneck standing in the road up in front of him with a shotgun out. So there are two choices: stay right in the shooters sights, or (drum roll drum roll drum roll) get out of the shooters sight. Escaping off the isthmus is secondary. Not being a sitting ******* duck for a gunman is primary.

I mean, how the hell do you guys cross a street? Do you take your chances with an 18 wheeler barreling straight towards you at 65 mph, or get out of the street and play your odds on some theoretical unseen others that might maybe run up on the sidewalk?

Cutting through private private property not only could have got him shot
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Entirely a secondary theoretical threat compared to the ******* psycho who appeared to be preparing to actually shoot him.

...it would have left him trapped because those house are all surrounded by dense bush, and they mostly have six foot high fences at the backs of the proprieties between he house curtilages and the bush. And he would have known that because he was a regular jogger through that neighbourhood, and therefore quite familiar with its layout. There was no way for him to escape the area if he left the road.
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Again, so what? Eventually escaping the isthmus is secondary to getting out of sight of the shotgun pointed at you immediately.

I seriously can't believe this.
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Word. See ya around.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Why do I feel like at the end of this nobody is going to learn that they could have possibly been wrong. The good old boys with guns will die thinking they were protecting their neighbors. The one man film crew will die thinking he was just helping them out. The Prosecutor will go to her great reward knowing in her heart that these were good men trying to do right by the community. And this board will be asking “but how fast was he running” for years after everyone in this thread is pushing up daisies. And for that, I blame Lisa.
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I don't know what this means, and what is worse, I can't tell if it works for or against me. What's her mile time?
 
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