Split Thread Heart transplant not for muslins

Roger Ramjets said:
This thread started with you asserting that 'Jews and muslins need not apply' for a pig's heart, implying that they would refuse on religious grounds. Your claim is busted, and no amount of deflection will un-bust it.

It's possible they had multiple rationalizations for forbidding different foods. Today a lot of westerners abhor the eating of cats and dogs. I wonder why?
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Quite possibly - maybe due to health issues and avoiding contamination or spoiled meat. Perhaps the difficulties of keeping the animals healthy in the conditions pertaining at the time the book was written.

It seems likely a lot of the strictures defined in religious books were written with the intent of maintaining society in the face of the environmental and political conditions at the time of writing.

That those conditions no longer pertain seems to be lost on religious fundamentalists.
 
Lplus said:
Quite possibly - maybe due to health issues and avoiding contamination or spoiled meat. Perhaps the difficulties of keeping the animals healthy in the conditions pertaining at the time the book was written.

It seems likely a lot of the strictures defined in religious books were written with the intent of maintaining society in the face of the environmental and political conditions at the time of writing.

That those conditions no longer pertain seems to be lost on religious fundamentalists.
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Or it could simply be that one of the social influencers of their time didn't like pork so told their follows not to eat it!

(Always think we should be careful with any "just so" stories, I've seen so many things that are done "because Fred said to do it" or "Fred did that" with no idea why Fred was saying or doing this to not, at least think it could be based on nothing but a personal preference.)

ETA: Dubious about health reasons from so long back, today we really struggle to understand the world that existed before germ theory was proposed and then accepted. Even the idea of washing our hands for hygiene is quite a new phenomena in historic terms.
 
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There’s also the common background reasoning of ‘those people we want to set ourselves apart from eat/wear/do this, so as a culture none of us are gonna eat/wear/do it.’

ETA I think the various holy texts calling stuff like that sin or abomination etc was one of the first things that pinged lil kid me that something nutty was going on with the foundations (texts) of religion.
 
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Darat said:
Or it could simply be that one of the social influencers of their time didn't like pork so told their follows not to eat it!

(Always think we should be careful with any "just so" stories, I've seen so many things that are done "because Fred said to do it" or "Fred did that" with no idea why Fred was saying or doing this to not, at least think it could be based on nothing but a personal preference.)

ETA: Dubious about health reasons from so long back, today we really struggle to understand the world that existed before germ theory was proposed and then accepted. Even the idea of washing our hands for hygiene is quite a new phenomena in historic terms.
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It isn't necessary to understand germ theory to recognise when eating certain foods led to certain unpleasant outcomes. The ancients weren't stupid, even if they would be considered ignorant by our standards.
 
Holy Quran
6:145 Say, "I do not find in what is inspired to me forbidden except that it be already dead, or blood poured forth, or the meat of pig, for it is foul; or what is corruptly dedicated to other than God." Whoever is forced without seeking disobedience or transgression, then your Lord is Forgiving, Compassionate.

16:115 He has only forbidden for you what is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was dedicated to other than God. But whoever is forced to, without seeking disobedience or transgression, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.

1- Only pork is haram. The meat of any other animal is not prohibited.

2- If there is a health problem, necessity or hunger, pork is also halal.

3- Therefore, organ transplantation from a pig is halal. Because this process is done out of health necessity, to survive.

4- Even drinking alcohol is conditionally halal:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610016.0
 
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