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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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bruto said:
Petra, I think if you start your investigation with the belief that Covid does not exist (as you said), you are not honestly "thinking for yourself."
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I've noticed that the people who don't think it exists, either haven't had it, or haven't met anyone who has, which means they are likely a bigger shut in than I am, which is saying something.
 
carlitos said:
That is a lie and you are a liar.
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You don't know me, and I'm not a liar. It's possible that I'm wrong about a few things. Is Fauci a liar because he told us that all we needed to do to end the pandemic was accept the "vaccines"? Is he a liar because he told us not to mask up initially, because there was a shortage of PPE, then later advocated mask mandates, then ended the mask mandates when the vaccines were released, only to reverse his stance on mask wearing when it became obvious that the "vaccines" were unsafe and ineffective at preventing infection?

Read this report:

https://downloads.regulations.gov/CDC-2021-0089-0024/attachment_1.pdf
 
Tippit said:
You don't know me, and I'm not a liar. It's possible that I'm wrong about a few things.
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I believe you when you claim to be sincere. However, I think your paranoid biases contaminate your view of reality to the point where you will believe the lies of crackpots, scammers, and propagandists, and you are very willing to spread their lies.


Tippit said:
Is Fauci a liar because he told us that all we needed to do to end the pandemic was accept the "vaccines"? Is he a liar because he told us not to mask up initially, because there was a shortage of PPE, then later advocated mask mandates, then ended the mask mandates when the vaccines were released, only to reverse his stance on mask wearing when it became obvious that the "vaccines" were unsafe and ineffective at preventing infection?
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Fauci is just a grunt with a dirty job. He had to present the developing, shifting views of an emerging disaster to the public. One day after another, he dealt with what was in front of him. He did nothing wrong.

Tippit said:
Read this report:
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Nah. If it's some whining about Fauci, then I don't care.
 
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Hans said:
Repeating that 2+2=5145 doesn't make it so.
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No, but repeating 2+2=224207754291970731347796733326386581004841910700242523481130925422366573229737696237862110137939453125
would be an impressive display of obsession, rivaling some of the minutely detailed errors being repeated within this thread.
 
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No, but repeating 2+2=224207754291970731347796733326386581004841910700242523481130925422366573229737696237862110137939453125
would be an impressive display of obsession, rivaling some of the minutely detailed errors being repeated within this thread.
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Childlike Empress said:
Speaks for the site. The more the "fact-checkers" are up in arms, the more likely it is that there is something valueable to be found. I wonder how a collection of athlete deaths can be "right-wing", but that's only me I guess. First source I found, remember that I usually read in German language on those topics.

Feel free to apply that "fact-checker" filter. I'm sure it will make you smarter.
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Would you be interested in participating in a new thread (in Social Issues?) where we take a deeper dive and discuss their veracity and political leanings, not specific to covid? Essentially we'd be fact-checking the fact-checker.
 
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arthwollipot said:
I am not happy with even one person dying..
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(Their report says lockdowns in Europe and the United States reduced covid mortality by only 0.2% on average.)
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What do you think of the J H findings ?
 
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eerok said:
I believe you when you claim to be sincere. However, I think your paranoid biases contaminate your view of reality to the point where you will believe the lies of crackpots, scammers, and propagandists, and you are very willing to spread their lies.




Fauci is just a grunt with a dirty job. He had to present the developing, shifting views of an emerging disaster to the public. One day after another, he dealt with what was in front of him. He did nothing wrong. Nah. If it's some whining about Fauci, then I don't care.
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You will remain clueless unless you educate yourself about Fauci's history and connections.

Why you would not do so is...........what is that.?
 
Deception factor goes whoosh

Deception factor goes whoosh, as usual


Foster Zygote said:
What conspiracy theorists really mean when they say "think for yourself" is, "stop doubting what I say about this".

Most conspiracy theorists show strongly narcissistic traits. They have considerable difficulty admitting that there are people who know a great deal about complex subjects in which they themselves are wholly unqualified to render opinions of their own. The conspiracy theory gives its adherents the illusion of being among a small minority too clever to be fooled.

Conspiracy theorists argue, often without realizing it, that an entire global community of highly trained experts are either, in toto, knowingly fully committed to maintaining a hoax, or so incompetent in their field that some complete amateurs are able to overthrow a massive expert consensus.

Neither you nor I are remotely qualified to offer novel opinions about epidemiological science. But I do know the scientific method - I know it works. I know that there are situations where it is best to turn to experts when there is risk, and follow their advice. Especially when there's an overwhelming consensus among the experts. If I'm
flying over high mountains on a DC-4 with one prop feathered and two on fire, I'm not going to say, "I'll get it - I think for myself" when a crewman comes along to tell me how to properly don my parachute.

All you're really saying is, "don't let experts tell you what to do, let me, an untrained novice, tell you what to do". So, why should we do that?
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Yep !

Good summary Tippit !



Tippit said:
Closer to 150,000 have likely died as a direct result of the vaccines, with millions injured, and any long term effects haven’t been realized since the long term hasn’t arrived yet.

In contrast Covid deaths are likely overstated (in the United States) by a few hundred thousand, in order to make it look far more deadly than it is, and to monetize hospital patients and take full advantage of Medicare subsidies.

For the balance of actual Covid victims, people who have died and long haulers suffering from lingering symptoms from severe cases, they have been denied effective early treatments, in favor of the suspicious and unilateral sale of experimental gene therapies by corrupt, monolithic pharmaceutical corporations , captive criminal government health agencies who are functioning as statistical gatekeepers, and a lying, bleating media.

Then there are the rest of us not living in Florida or Texas, subjected to crushing lockdowns, ineffectual cloth mask mandates, barrages of testing with possibly toxic tests, experimental gene therapy mandates with the risk of losing one’s livelihood, the inability to move about freely or cross borders, and the ridicule and shaming from brainless guinea pigs.

All for a disease with likely a much higher than a 99.74% infection survival rate. If you think things are bad now, they could get much worse. If indeed the experimental gene therapies are damaging immune systems as has been alleged, then it will be a disease multiplier going forward, and it will be upon those of us who choose not to partake of this health mania, those of us who didn’t drink the kool-aid sold to us by pharma, to document the actual causes of the disease and death that may follow, so that the criminals responsible get exposed.
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In case anyone's wondering, this is almost certainly the study to which Bubba is referring:

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/f...ffects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

It's three economists desperately cherry picking data to fit their pre-determined conclusion. Notice they deliberately exclude data related to the actual purpose of lockdowns, which was to prevent health services being overwhelmed by reducing case numbers and therefore hospitalisations.

Note also the caveat given in the first paragraph:

The views expressed in each working paper are those of the authors and not necessarily those of the institutions that the authors are affiliated with.
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Petra said:
As I said, she's now persona non grata so, of course, she's under investigation. If you wish to claim that she's making false claims then you need to state what those false claims are. You need to think for yourself and not just spout what a conservative medical body spouts. For goodness sake.
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But I do think for myself.
So far, my brother-in-law, nephew and niece have all had Covid, as have several of my friends, all with varying degrees of severity. (All have recovered, btw). Last May, I lost my sense of taste and smell for a few days. This was in May, before it was known that this was a symptom of Covid-19.
Now, all these people did actually get sick. They got sick from something that had all the symptoms of Covid. If they didn't have Covid (because, as per your claim, it doesn't exist), then they all got sick with another disease that had all the symptoms of Covid, but wasn't Covid, and all the doctors who attended them, the nursing and support staff, and all of the world's health authorities and medical scientists on whose advice they were relying, were all lying. I find this unconvincing.
In addition, the evidence for the existence of the pandemic is readily available and conclusive, unless you believe that there actually is a vast conspiracy, involving huge numbers of people, to fix all of the data everywhere, to do what? Increase profits for pharmaceutical companies, at the expense of almost every other business? Destroy democracy and install a worldwide fascist tyranny? That requires a great number of assumptions and assertions.
However, just because an idea is crazy doesn't mean I automatically dismiss it. That's not what scientific scepticism means. I have looked at these claims, both here and elsewhere, and I have found them, every single time, to be laughably, pitifully wrong. The assumptions and assertions in each and every one of these conspiratorial, anti-science, counterfactual claims are wrong. Without foundation. Not even close to being right.
Moreover, many of these claims are being made and spread by some deeply unpleasant people, who have agendas of their own, and who are profiting from this difficult and tragic situation. They are knowingly, intentionally, provably dishonest.
I have therefore concluded that the general scientific consensus is correct, that Covid-19 is as described, and that vaccines are both necessary and safe.
All by thinking for myself.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Here's a link - https://www.academia.edu/62145171/The_Covid_19_Fraud_and_War_On_Humanity - to that "paper" Petra mentioned.

I say "paper" as it is self-published and non-peer reviewed, before we get to the nature of the content: I am unclear, even from reading the abstract, how Petra can claim that this is not conspiracy theory.

Oh, and here - https://factcheck.afp.com/new-zeala...trys-pcr-testing-regime-widely-shared-youtube - is another view on Samantha Bailey's related claims. Or this - https://blog.waikato.ac.nz/bioblog/2021/04/sam-bailey-on-isolating-viruses-and-why-she-is-wrong/
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That "paper" is a perfect example of my earlier point about these claims being laughably, pitifully wrong.
Unsupported assertion after unsupported assertion, 'everyone else is lying except me', 'all the other scientists are wrong and lying, and always have been, except me, because I say so'. 'Bill Gates globalists blah blah blah'.
Oh, and, if you scroll down to p 42 onwards, 'UFOs in vaccines'! :eye-poppi

And bonus 'nano-chips'.

Petra, this is utter drek. How can you swallow this bilge?
 
Petra said:
There are a number of scientists and doctors who speak against the mainstream narrative and to call them conspiracy theorists is inapt because although they must infer a conspiracy is involved the notion of a conspiracy is incidental, their main claim - backed by often very detailed argument - is that the science put forward for the virus, genomic sequencing, virus illness, outbreak modelling and pandemic is fraudulent. That is their main claim - scientific fraudulence and whether the fraudulence comes from an individual or is the result of a conspiracy is of lesser importance.

On FB last year someone posted figures indicating an excess spike in mortality in Europe in April 2020 and challenged me to explain the excess spike assuming covid not to be the cause. I was stumped, I didn't believe it was covid because I don't believe covid has been proven to exist but at the same time while I believe many lies have been told I didn't believe that the mortality figures would be falsified and I had no other explanation. I told the FB poster that I would chew on those figures. A couple of weeks later, NZ doctor, Sam Bailey, a former co-presenter of the medical myth-busting series, The Checkup, and a bit of a media darling who is now persona non grata because of her views on the pandemic published a video explaining how the excess spike corresponded well with aggressive drug trials conducted in certain European countries.

She showed, for example, using figures from the European mortality monitoring site, euromomo, that while Spain showed an excess spike in mortality, neighbouring Portugal actually had a lower spike than in 2017. Spain conducted aggressive drug trials while Portugal did not.

You can find her video, Excess Mortality, What You Aren't Being Told, on her odysee channel, DrSamBailey. (Not entitled to post URLs yet)
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Petra, you claim to think for yourself, and mention here that you would 'chew on those figures'. This is to be commended. Blindly accepting the claims made in a YouTube video is not 'thinking for yourself'.
Can you please link to the specific pages on Euromomo that you looked at to substantiate this claim? This would help the rest of us understand what the evidence was that persuaded you to accept this claim.
Thanks.
 
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