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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Petra said:
As I said, she's now persona non grata so, of course, she's under investigation. If you wish to claim that she's making false claims then you need to state what those false claims are. You need to think for yourself and not just spout what a conservative medical body spouts. For goodness sake.


You're the one making assumptions. I've stated my case clearly. In the video cited, Sam Bailey quotes figures from Euromomo showing that there is a correlation between spikes in excess mortality and countries in Europe which conducted aggressive drug trials. No assumptions, just facts and figures.

Long before I found Sam Bailey I didn't believe a word of what we were being told. I didn't believe a word from Day One when they showed us - in complete contradiction of reality - people falling flat on their faces and people laid out on the ground and on hospital floors, when they told us that hospitals were being erected in 48 hours and when they told us that two particular species of snakes were found to be reservoirs of the virus. That sort of complete nonsense was a clear indicator we were being lied to so I didn't believe a word from Day One and no evidence has come to light to make me change my mind.
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Another "think for yourself" disciple. Have you met our very own Tippit (with two i's)? You should get along famously.

What is the starting point of "thinking for yourself"? Is it the opinion of some blogger you agree with? Or is it an analysis of basic scientifically vetted data? Or is it thinking entirely for yourself completely devoid of any outside information whatsoever?
 
monetizing misinformation

"Popular email platform Substack generates some $2.5 million each year from anti-vaccine newsletters, according to a new report from the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH).

The controversial physician, Joseph Mercola, DO, runs one of the platform's most popular newsletters. Newsletters from Mercola and former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson account for more than $2.2 million of that revenue, according to the report. They rake in a combined $183,000 per month." Medpage

This explains quite a bit.
 
Tippit said:
What makes you so sure of this?
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Well, the ones on the list who aren't dead certainly didn't die of the vaccine. Like the NFL player who fell on his head and got a concussion mid-game? The ones who weren't athletes certainly weren't athletes. And the ones who died from meningitis or whatever didn't die of the vaccine. For example, the 69 year old guy who used to play rugby and dropped dead from a heart attack isn't an "athlete" any more. 60-something year olds playing in beer hockey leagues? FFS. As someone who runs a little, the list of runners dropping dead looks pretty typical to me. Something like 1 in 100,000 marathon runners dies during a race.

Your claims, your burden of proof. As evidence, the **** list posted by the **** sources and linked by the **** propaganda media and cited by the **** posters here and the **** politicians is worth exactly ****.
 
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Petra said:
As I said, she's now persona non grata so, of course, she's under investigation. If you wish to claim that she's making false claims then you need to state what those false claims are. You need to think for yourself and not just spout what a conservative medical body spouts. For goodness sake.
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There is a little problem, I (like yourself) do not have a clue about virology or vaccines.

If I start to think for myself in the context of vaccines and pandemic defenses, it will likely (like in your case here) end in confusion and frustration. :rolleyes:
 
Petra said:
I'm not sure how you can call doctors and scientists "conspiracy theorists" when generally what they're doing is talking about science, they're not pointing the finger at people and calling them conspiracists, they're simply talking about science. They may be wrong, sure, but to apply the term "conspiracy theorist" to doctors and scientists speaking against the mainstream narrative is ludicrous. In the case of the paper I do admit there is some conspiracy talk going on ... but then that is because there is a conspiracy, that is the fact of the matter. But you simply spout anti-conspiracy propaganda jargon, you have no specific criticism of their refutation of the science presented to us, all you can do is call "conspiracy theory/ist", "anti-vaxxer", you have no argument, you're simply full of hot air.
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All you've posted here has been conspiracy theories. You should own that. You don't believe covid even exists? Sure thing. The evil elites are keeping the truth from coming out? You sound like a Russian bot. In any case, there seems to be little point in trying to reason with you.
 
Petra said:
You need to think for yourself and not just spout what a conservative medical body spouts.
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What conspiracy theorists really mean when they say "think for yourself" is, "stop doubting what I say about this".

Most conspiracy theorists show strongly narcissistic traits. They have considerable difficulty admitting that there are people who know a great deal about complex subjects in which they themselves are wholly unqualified to render opinions of their own. The conspiracy theory gives its adherents the illusion of being among a small minority too clever to be fooled.

Conspiracy theorists argue, often without realizing it, that an entire global community of highly trained experts are either, in toto, knowingly fully committed to maintaining a hoax, or so incompetent in their field that some complete amateurs are able to overthrow a massive expert consensus.

Neither you nor I are remotely qualified to offer novel opinions about epidemiological science. But I do know the scientific method - I know it works. I know that there are situations where it is best to turn to experts when there is risk, and follow their advice. Especially when there's an overwhelming consensus among the experts. If I'm
flying over high mountains on a DC-4 with one prop feathered and two on fire, I'm not going to say, "I'll get it - I think for myself" when a crewman comes along to tell me how to properly don my parachute.

All you're really saying is, "don't let experts tell you what to do, let me, an untrained novice, tell you what to do". So, why should we do that?
 
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Thousands of people die every day from Covid 19, a few thousand people at most have died from the Covid 19 vaccines. Some posters appear to think that saving the latter is worth sacrificing the former.
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Closer to 150,000 have likely died as a direct result of the vaccines, with millions injured, and any long term effects haven’t been realized since the long term hasn’t arrived yet.

In contrast Covid deaths are likely overstated (in the United States) by a few hundred thousand, in order to make it look far more deadly than it is, and to monetize hospital patients and take full advantage of Medicare subsidies.

For the balance of actual Covid victims, people who have died and long haulers suffering from lingering symptoms from severe cases, they have been denied effective early treatments, in favor of the suspicious and unilateral sale of experimental gene therapies by corrupt, monolithic pharmaceutical corporations , captive criminal government health agencies who are functioning as statistical gatekeepers, and a lying, bleating media.

Then there are the rest of us not living in Florida or Texas, subjected to crushing lockdowns, ineffectual cloth mask mandates, barrages of testing with possibly toxic tests, experimental gene therapy mandates with the risk of losing one’s livelihood, the inability to move about freely or cross borders, and the ridicule and shaming from brainless guinea pigs.

All for a disease with likely a much higher than a 99.74% infection survival rate. If you think things are bad now, they could get much worse. If indeed the experimental gene therapies are damaging immune systems as has been alleged, then it will be a disease multiplier going forward, and it will be upon those of us who choose not to partake of this health mania, those of us who didn’t drink the kool-aid sold to us by pharma, to document the actual causes of the disease and death that may follow, so that the criminals responsible get exposed.


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Petra, I think if you start your investigation with the belief that Covid does not exist (as you said), you are not honestly "thinking for yourself."

One might, if perhaps a rigid empiricist, begin with the question of whether or not Covid exists, and, after looking at the evidence from the least partisan sources or a mix of them, come to a conclusion. But if you start from the assumption that it does not, you are either fooling yourself or trying unsuccessfully to fool others with the notion that you're "thinking for yourself." Someone else did that thinking.

And understand that this would be entirely true even if your starting point were correct, and even if all your conclusions were correct.

You can be the fastest human ever, but if you jump the gun at the starting blocks, you've cheated, even if you win the race by ten times the difference.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
"Popular email platform Substack generates some $2.5 million each year from anti-vaccine newsletters, according to a new report from the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH).

The controversial physician, Joseph Mercola, DO, runs one of the platform's most popular newsletters. Newsletters from Mercola and former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson account for more than $2.2 million of that revenue, according to the report. They rake in a combined $183,000 per month." Medpage

This explains quite a bit.
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Wow. A whopping 2.5 million you say? And this compared to how many untold billions (and likely future trillions, if corrupt pharmaceutical corporations aren’t stopped) in experimental gene therapy revenue, and trillions lost in “non-pharmaceutical interventions” like lockdowns and tyrannical health mandates?

And who is **** is behind the “Center for Countering Digital Hate”, and why do they get to decide that countering the billions spent propagandizing and monetizing this virus is “hateful”?


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Tippit said:
Closer to 150,000 have likely died as a direct result of the vaccines, with millions injured, and any long term effects haven’t been realized since the long term hasn’t arrived yet.
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That is a lie and you are a liar.
 
This person started documenting the efficacy of HCQ, zinq, vitamin, god, etc. in treating COVID. It wasn't very effective, he discovered, then he died. But not before he acknowledged his foolishness in not getting vaccinated.

But like a fool, I listened to a lot of conspiracy theories . . . Get vaccinated.
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He said how much he missed his family, his granddaughter, and now they're going to miss him for the rest of their lives. All because he listened to the disinformation, and the disinformationists on social media and threads like this, that ultimately killed him.

My daughter is nearly recovered from COVID, though her husband is a bit more symptomatic; both have comorbidities, but are vaxxed and boosted, so the symptoms were mild to non-existent, and my initial worries a few days ago were assuaged. They did the right thing and didn't listen to the fevered CT disinformationists who are partially responsible for the deaths of the many who were gulled by these plague rats.
 
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"You need to think for yourself" some comic relief

Petra said:
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What exactly do you dispute?
... you're simply full of hot air.
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You can't figure out you have been fooled, and blindly claim things claimed by others.

And you finish off the post with Projection.

You can't support the BS you described and believe.

Dr Mark Bailey and Dr John Bevan-Smith did not use science, they used BS and seem to be conspiracy theorists..

DID you read their BS/Paper? There is evidence or paranoia and no science.

Prove me otherwise. You can't.
The best part, you try to reverse the requirement of proof onto others, and DrSamBailey has no science, you can't support her arguments with facts and evidence, and fall for the dumbed down lies she fooled you with.

Me, Spouting anti-conspiracy-theorists stuff, don't admit your ideas are what they are. Provide evidence for their Fantasy world of Woo you found, and believe, while "thinking for yourself".

You have to take her points and source them, and provide real evidence, not talk,'

Got some evidence to support your "experts"? NO

Petra said:
You need to think for yourself and not just spout what a conservative medical body spouts. For goodness sake.
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Projection again.
Use your own words. You believe the wacko medical body, and blindly post their false conclusions.

Got some evidence to support the claims, claim by "thinking for yourself". that is special.

Glad to see Covid does not exist, thinking for yourself is so magical.

No one has to prove you are wrong, you have to prove you are right. Evidence.
However: if you pay attention people have given you some insight into how to shape your research to be effective, and filter out the lies, misinformation, and fake science. The opinions you believe in are not science.
 
How's it go?

For yourself you need to think. You yourself need for to think. Think you need yourself to for. You for think your self need to. Yourself for think to need you.

GODDAMMIT, HELP ME OUT! Petra, CE, Tippitt!

Not you, Bubba. You take another nap. It'll perk you.
 
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Here's a link - https://www.academia.edu/62145171/The_Covid_19_Fraud_and_War_On_Humanity - to that "paper" Petra mentioned.

I say "paper" as it is self-published and non-peer reviewed, before we get to the nature of the content: I am unclear, even from reading the abstract, how Petra can claim that this is not conspiracy theory.

Oh, and here - https://factcheck.afp.com/new-zeala...trys-pcr-testing-regime-widely-shared-youtube - is another view on Samantha Bailey's related claims. Or this - https://blog.waikato.ac.nz/bioblog/2021/04/sam-bailey-on-isolating-viruses-and-why-she-is-wrong/
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Here's a link - https://www.academia.edu/62145171/The_Covid_19_Fraud_and_War_On_Humanity - to that "paper" Petra mentioned.
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Yeah, I didn't think it'd be this bad. Is this supposed to resemble an actual academic paper?

Carrot Flower King said:
Oh look! An endorsement from David Icke - https://davidicke.com/2021/12/18/th...anity-dr-mark-bailey-and-dr-john-bevan-smith/

I'm convinced!
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Lol. Petra has made a real splash in the deep end of the cesspit.
 
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