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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Bubba said:
Having pushers on their Boards or not,
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So it doesn’t matter that they have someone on the boards, by your own words directly above. So no need to pay attention to who is on what board. But thanks for bringing it up.
 
Planigale said:
I claim they are as much gene therapy as Smallpox vaccine, (we know from the cartoons that people at the time Smallpox vaccine was introduced were worried about the effects of viral DNA on the human genome), or Polio vaccine.
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Since at the time nobody knew about DNA or the human genome, I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Tippit said:
Whether the experimental gene therapies really qualify as experimental gene therapies, depends on your definition of gene therapy. If it means altering the genes of the patient, then they aren't (presumably). If it means altering the RNA used in the therapy, to produce GMO spike proteins, then they are.
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Nobody but you and the other conspiracy theorists define gene therapy in that second way.

Again, Wikipedia:

Gene therapy is a medical field which focuses on the genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect[1] or the treatment of disease by repairing or reconstructing defective genetic material.[2]
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I encourage you to go to that page and have a read. While you're there, check some of the citations.
 
You have wikipedia, which you should know is completly unreliable on anything even remotely controversial, and other junk you find on "fact-checking" sites, against the words of the CEO of Bayer who couldn't be more frank. He was not talking to you or me, he was talking to his "elite" ilk - check the video for what else happened during the event.

Do you understand what Bayer is? And you - personal perspective implied but not layed out - want us to take you seriously? The mRNA "vaccines" and the "vaccines" who bring the body on other ways to produce spike proteins are very much "experimental gene therapies". I invite you also to read on the modeRNA site what they say about their "operating system". IIRC it said "gene therapy" there as well, but maybe I misremember and it wasn't the Ministry of Truth in that case. But the case is clear if you understand what you are reading.

https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development
 
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arthwollipot said:
If you think Wikipedia is wrong, you're welcome to edit the page any time you like. But you'd better have sources to back you up.
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In this case I don't even have to visit the site to see that if there's anything wrong, it's your reading comprehension. Take the definition before footnote 1. That's what these "vaccines" do. The "genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect", in this case the "therapeutic effect" is alleged to be achieved by making your body cells produce "spike proteins".
 
arthwollipot said:
If you think Wikipedia is wrong, you're welcome to edit the page any time you like. But you'd better have sources to back you up.
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This is so breathtakingly naive that I have to follow with this link, which - full disclosure - was almost completely written by me:

http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Manipulation_of_Wikipedia

Could need an update but I haven't been active on that wiki since the plandemic kicked in. I have been running wikis since long before wikipedia came along, btw, just saying.
 
Childlike Empress said:
In this case I don't even have to visit the site to see that if there's anything wrong, it's your reading comprehension. Take the definition before footnote 1. That's what these "vaccines" do. The "genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect", in this case the "therapeutic effect" is alleged to be achieved by making your body cells produce "spike proteins".
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Cool, so if the vaccine doesn't enter the nucleus of the cell, how is it gene therapy since there is no interaction with genetic material?

Just wondering.
 
Sigh.
Chance That COVID-19 Vaccines Are Gene Therapy? 'Zero'
There are lots of unfounded fears about the COVID-19 vaccines floating around, and one of the most pervasive is the idea that these new shots aren't really vaccines, but that they will somehow change your genes or insert themselves into the DNA of your cells.

You may see people posting on social media about the vaccines being a kind of gene therapy, and they're partly right, but in the end this idea often misses some important details about how the vaccines work. They can't change your genes, and they don't stay in your body for more than a few days.
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And.

The development and approval of messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines have been nothing short of a miracle. As a recent Commonwealth Fund study found, in the absence of vaccines, there would have been approximately 1.1 million additional Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. and 10.3 million more hospitalizations by November 2021.

Vaccines have saved lives and prevented severe disease, with, thus far, comparatively few adverse events. Nevertheless, vocal anti-vaccine groups persistently refer to mRNA vaccines, in particular, as “experimental gene therapies.”

Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not, however, gene therapies because they do not alter a person’s genes.
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Childlike Empress said:
This is so breathtakingly naive that I have to follow with this link, which - full disclosure - was almost completely written by me:

http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Manipulation_of_Wikipedia

Could need an update but I haven't been active on that wiki since the plandemic kicked in. I have been running wikis since long before wikipedia came along, btw, just saying.
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From what you say you wrote, you think wiki should allow opinion to be equal to fact? Is this why you believed 9/11 truth lies? A failure to understand beliefs are not facts, and ignoring facts and evidence to embrace opinions.

Wikipedia will support the "common wisdom" and suppress or even deride views outside of what "the average person" believes.
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"common wisdom", does that mean you don't like facts, like your 9/11 beliefs in the past.

What you believe is not evidence or fact. Like failed beliefs you held on 9/11, they were based on BS conspiracy theorists made up.

The vaccines are not gene therapy, you did not correctly understand what you read, what you said supports your gene therapy claim. very poor reading comp

Did you make up the gene therapy or blindly repeat the claim made by those "suppressed average persons", aka anti-vaxxers?
 
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Stee said:
Rumble again…seriously?
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When someone puts on YouTube or Rumble, an event or speaker which has nothing to do with YouTube or Rumble......what's your point?

To me, your comment suggests you might rely on Wikipedia, media fact check dotcom, and FB fact checkers with pimples and purple hair (FB already admitted (when sued) that their fact checkers deal in opinions rather than actual facts).

Your dismissing Rumble reeks of messenger shooting, plain/simple.


PS
For the younger set ie those of you who are around twelve, this thread provides opportunity to learn you are being misled by actors you've been conditioned to trust.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
In this case I don't even have to visit the site to see that if there's anything wrong, it's your reading comprehension. Take the definition before footnote 1. That's what these "vaccines" do. The "genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect", in this case the "therapeutic effect" is alleged to be achieved by making your body cells produce "spike proteins".
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Is this stated with your authority as someone who has "worked in science"? What are those credentials, by the way?
 
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Paul2 said:
So it doesn’t matter that they have someone on the boards, by your own words directly above. So no need to pay attention to who is on what board. But thanks for bringing it up.
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Wow, you found a way to slither out of that one !

Thanks to Paul 2, the world can breathe a sigh of relief around pharma guys sitting on MSM Boards.....nothing to see here...move along....get your booster

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Childlike Empress said:
In this case I don't even have to visit the site to see that if there's anything wrong, it's your reading comprehension. Take the definition before footnote 1. That's what these "vaccines" do. The "genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect", in this case the "therapeutic effect" is alleged to be achieved by making your body cells produce "spike proteins".
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These vaccines do not modify genes. Gene therapy consists of modifying genes. mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy. They are branded as "gene therapy" by people whose intent is to frighten you. Because "gene therapy", despite its genuine potential for the treatment of genetic disorders, sounds scary, especially when paired with the word "experimental". It's pure FUD.
 
Bubba said:
Really?

Since some here sometimes seem to sound like they accept MSM reporting on covid and the injections as wholly reliable....here is "the evidence" again.` Let me know if you think the MSM covers big pharma fairly and responsibly.

Actual journalism matters in the age of covid, mandatory/coerced injections, and claims of dissenting doctors and scientists being censored.
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Bubba said:
When someone puts on YouTube or Rumble, an event or speaker which has nothing to do with YouTube or Rumble......what's your point?

To me, your comment suggests you might rely on Wikipedia, media fact check dotcom, and FB fact checkers with pimples and purple hair (FB already admitted (when sued) that their fact checkers deal in opinions rather than actual facts).

Your dismissing Rumble reeks of messenger shooting, plain/simple.
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Bubba said:
Wow, you found a way to slither out of that one !

Thanks to Paul 2, the world can breathe a sigh of relief around pharma guys sitting on MSM Boards.....nothing to see here...move along....get your booster
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Bubba, I will examine your claim about pharma members on the Boards of all but 1 US media companies in more detail later.
I do want to pick up on this, though.
You say that having a member of a pharmaceutical company on the BoD of a media company makes them unreliable.
Then you say that distrusting YouTube is shooting the messenger.
Have you looked at Google's Board of Directors?

By your own argument, nothing on YouTube should now be trusted. I take it you will now stop linking to YouTube videos.
 
Childlike Empress said:
This is so breathtakingly naive that I have to follow with this link, which - full disclosure - was almost completely written by me:

http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Manipulation_of_Wikipedia

Could need an update but I haven't been active on that wiki since the plandemic kicked in. I have been running wikis since long before wikipedia came along, btw, just saying.
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That's nice. So when are you going to update the page on gene therapy then?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Bubba, I will examine your claim about pharma members on the Boards of all but 1 US media companies in more detail later.

I do want to pick up on this, though.

You say that having a member of a pharmaceutical company on the BoD of a media company makes them unreliable.

Then you say that distrusting YouTube is shooting the messenger.

Have you looked at Google's Board of Directors?



By your own argument, nothing on YouTube should now be trusted. I take it you will now stop linking to YouTube videos.
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Playing the "it can only be black and white or gotcha" game looks bad on you.

Try being a bit more intellectually sophisticated

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