Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part V

[Mojo]

Here you go, appealing to the crowd again.

My sources are eclectic. I do my own research. I will go to a central library or national archives and dig out original documents, some never looked at by others since they were deposited. Why? Because I am nosy and I enjoy the Eureka! moments.

For the purposes of this forum, I'll cite links that the reader can look up for themselves and either reject or accept them. Nobody is forced to accept anything. We can all make up our own minds.

And in your case, your own facts?

 

[Mojo]

If you follow the audit trail it comes from an Estonian newspaper.

You need to show your working on that.

 

[Mojo]

That person knows who he is.

Do you know who he is?

 

[Vixen]

I'm going to assume (maybe I'm wrong) that the original letter was in Swedish and your text was a translation.

Your text, including the title text "Correspondence 6 June 2001" is identical to that on Bjorkman's website, and searching Google for some exact phrases from the letter, the only result is Bjorkman's webpage.

If you didn't get it from Bjorkman's website, then where did you get it?

I bet you can't provide a reference and will try and squirm your way out of answering the question, because the answer is obvious, you copied it from Bjorkman's website.

Try here.

 

[Vixen]

Or maybe you didn't change it until after it was pointed out that it was false?

Er, actually I changed it because it wasn't WRP it s/have read RCP. Any objections?

 

[Vixen]

Where did you get it from?

From my notes.

 

[Marras]

Try here.

So, you got the letter from Björkman.

Because that link has nothing to do with Anér, who you were asked about.

You are again just plugging names to google, picking a random link from result and pretending that the link is your source.

 

[Vixen]

You have stated many things that are not true...

You weren't even aware of the only book-length monograph about the road. And you haven't provided even one contemporary example of people using Härkätie in a contemporary context from the early 20th century, while I have given you many examples of the use Hämeentie.

Yes I was, because my cousin-once-removed even uses it as a source in her own chapter on it. I am willing to wager I know far more than you do about this.

 

[Vixen]

And that's not to mention, of course, that large swathes of the general public appear predisposed to believe that their governments routinely lie to them wrt these sorts of incidents.

For example, a 2016 poll found that over 50% of Americans thought the US Government was hiding important information about the cause and execution of the 9/11 attacks. And over 40% of Americans still believe that the Warren Commission intentionally covered up the true facts behind JFK's assassination.

People like conspiracy theories, it seems. And some people like them more than others.......

Given the US penchant for classifying a ridiculous amount of stuff, even the most trivial, that is hardly surprising.

 

[Vixen]

Yes, that's the same vague reference Bjorkman gives for the interview, no date or any other details.

Which is why that's all you know about where the interview came from.

This is by the by, your claim is that Moik was dismissed from his job because of that interview and you've provided exactly zero evidence for this claim.

Can you provide evidence that Moik was dismissed from his job because of that interview or are you going to squirm your way again out of answer a simple question?

What's your evidence that Erich Moik was dismissed because of an interview he gave?

Citation please of what you are referring to. And don't forget the context.

 

[Vixen]

If it's a doddle, then why do you refuse to do it?

You've been repeatedly asked for evidence that Swedish and Finnish customs regularly came across incidences of smuggling nuclear material, and so far you've provided zero evidence.

Your first pathetic attempt to give evidence was a link to instances of smuggling nuclear material, none of which involved Sweden or Finland.

You then provided another couple of stories, one of which involved somebody being arrested in Estonia and exactly one other story of someone smuggling Californium into Finland.

That's it, you've been repeatedly asked for evidence of this supposedly common occurrence and have been entirely unable to do so, and now you've fallen back on the lazy old trope of asking others to search it for themselves.

And you boast about how good a researcher you are, how you go to libraries and national archives and have all sorts of eclectic sources, how you're a dispassionate researcher and how your posts are sourced, cited and properly referenced. Laughable.

Start a thread on dangerous goods smuggling if you are genuinely interested in this issue. Not being funny but you seem more interested in quarelling than debating. Picking on random wording. There is plenty of material about this, it is not as if it is little known.

 

[Vixen]

First of all, copying and pasting the interview doesn't answer the question of how you know that Moik was dismissed as a result of the interview. Why is it that when you're asked for evidence you copy and paste stuff or post links that contain absolutely none of the evidence you're asked for?

Secondly, searching Google for the exact phrase "Eesti Päevaleht 990917", the only result is Anders Bjorkman's website. Which means you definitely are copying and pasting this stuff from his website.

There are plenty of references in the press to these news stories. Your claim that Bjorkman made them up himself is ludicrous.

https://www.delfi.ee/artikkel/928537/filmikaadrid-kinnitavad-pihti-paasemist-estonialt?

https://www.eesti.ca/sven-aner-parvlaev-estonia-katastroofi-umber-valitsev-vale/article43146

 

[Vixen]

Which answers the question why she must post irrelevant material. Far from doing her own research, as she claims, she can only provide what her conspiracy authors provide for her. If they don't have a document that answers the question directly, all she can do is copy the closest thing.

The poster asked for the interview with Moik and Mörd. I provided it.

Did I hear a please.

Do I hear a thank you.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen's claim was not that he was dismissed for accusing his employer of very serious crimes. She claimed he was dismissed for saying he had seen Piht on TV.

Citation please.

 

[Marras]

There are plenty of references in the press to these news stories. Your claim that Bjorkman made them up himself is ludicrous

He doesn't claim that.

He claims that YOU got the information from Björkman.

Because you did.

 

[Vixen]

Links please.

Drew Wilson see his book.

You can retrieve the letter from sok. riksarkivet.

 

[Vixen]

He doesn't claim that.

He claims that YOU got the information from Björkman.

Because you did.

It is a simple transcript of Moik's interview which you can find in any Estonian newspaper.

 

[Marras]

It is a simple transcript of Moik's interview which you can find in any Estonian newspaper.

But you found if from Björkman's web site.

 

[Vixen]

But you found if from Björkman's web site.

So if Bjorkman quotes the Laws of Thermodynamics, we are all banned from reading it because you are the self-appointed censor?

 

[Andy_Ross]

From my notes.

Which say what?