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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part V

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JayUtah said:
That isn't even remotely supportive. He used the word "disappear" in its ordinary sense, not in the sense of enforced disappearance such as is a crime under the Rome Statute. Names disappearing from a list is not the same as people disappearing at the hands of government.

Nor is it what I asked for. Are you abandoning the claim that Sweden committed enforced disappearance on two Egyptians, as claimed by Bollyn? Is that claim now irrelevant?
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That and the 1952-DC3 were given as examples of how Sweden will 'cover up' an incident if it is strategically advantageous to label them 'classified'.
 
Vixen said:
Maybe that person had a screen print and simply rewrote it back in for a rise.
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Or maybe, as the evidence seems to indicate, you wrote a post, wrote several more posts, and then -- seeing that someone had quoted your early post and made a devastating response to it -- you went back and deleted it to try to save face.
 
Vixen said:
No. I am sure he is not the only one who had sight of the open letter.
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I'm going to assume (maybe I'm wrong) that the original letter was in Swedish and your text was a translation.

Your text, including the title text "Correspondence 6 June 2001" is identical to that on Bjorkman's website, and searching Google for some exact phrases from the letter, the only result is Bjorkman's webpage.

If you didn't get it from Bjorkman's website, then where did you get it?

I bet you can't provide a reference and will try and squirm your way out of answering the question, because the answer is obvious, you copied it from Bjorkman's website.
 
JesseCuster said:
What's your evidence for that? You just posted the interview and then claimed he was dismissed afterward, but you've provided no evidence that he was fired afterward or that interview was the reason he was fired.

You copied and pasted that interview from Anders Bjorkman's website, and Bjorkman doesn't provide a reference for the dismissal or the reason for the dismissal, which is why you can't provide that evidence either, because you're just copying from his website.

You even copied and pasted the above quote, as if it was your own words, you just removed a couple of words, but it's Bjorkman who actually said that exact thing on his website:


https://www.heiwaco.com/epunkt146.htm

You're cribbing from Bjorkman's website, copying and pasting his stuff and trying to hide that fact by not referencing where you got it from.
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If you follow the audit trail it comes from an Estonian newspaper.
 
JesseCuster said:
I'm going to assume (maybe I'm wrong) that the original letter was in Swedish and your text was a translation.

Your text, including the title text "Correspondence 6 June 2001" is identical to that on Bjorkman's website, and searching Google for some exact phrases from the letter, the only result is Bjorkman's webpage.

If you didn't get it from Bjorkman's website, then where did you get it?

I bet you can't provide a reference and will try and squirm your way out of answering the question, because the answer is obvious, you copied it from Bjorkman's website.
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Sorry? Are you saying all elements must be sourced at Heiwa co., so that everybody who cites an original source can be connected to a radical right conspiracy theory site, just because it also cites it? No. You don't get to pigeonhole people like that.
 
Vixen said:
If you follow the audit trail it comes from an Estonian newspaper.
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What comes from an Estonian newspaper?

The evidence that Moik was dismissed from Estline because of that interview?

What Estonian newspaper, what date was the article and what evidence do they offer that Moik was dismissed from his position because of that interview.

Why are you copying and pasting from Bjorkman's website if you've got an "audit trail"? What are the details of this "audit trail"?

Inquiring minds want to know!
 
JesseCuster said:
What comes from an Estonian newspaper?

The evidence that Moik was dismissed from Estline because of that interview?

What Estonian newspaper, what date was the article and what evidence do they offer that Moik was dismissed from his position because of that interview.

Why are you copying and pasting from Bjorkman's website if you've got an "audit trail"? What are the details of this "audit trail"?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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The Eesti Päevaleht
 
Vixen said:
Sorry? Are you saying all elements must be sourced at Heiwa co., so that everybody who cites an original source can be connected to a radical right conspiracy theory site, just because it also cites it? No. You don't get to pigeonhole people like that.
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I said nothing of the sort. Can't you read properly? :confused:

I'm saying that you sourced the Sven Anér letter from Bjorkman's webpage and that you sourced the interview with Moik from Bjorkman's webpage, because you obviously did. You didn't come across the letter or interview anywhere else, you found it on Bjorkman's website and you don't have any other source for it, which is why you're copying and pasting the exact text from his website onto this forum.

The dead giveaway was you writing the following after you posted the text of the interview:
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After such a frank interview captain Moik was dismissed from Estline.
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And on Bjorkman's website, after he posts the exact same text of the interview, he says the following:
Heiwaco said:
After (or before?) such a frank interview captain Moik was dismissed from Estline.
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You cribbed it from Bjorkman's website. You don't have any evidence for Moik being dismissed or why he was dismissed because your source for the claim doesn't have that evidence either.

If you have evidence of Moik's dismissal and the reason for his dismissal, then just post the damn evidence. You won't because you can't because you have no such evidence.
 
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Vixen said:
Sorry? Are you saying all elements must be sourced at Heiwa co., so that everybody who cites an original source can be connected to a radical right conspiracy theory site, just because it also cites it? No. You don't get to pigeonhole people like that.
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Straw man. You produced a letter with no citation to its source, purporting it to be genuine. In addition to the text of the letter, you reproduced framing elements from the Heiwa website that are unlikely to be part of the letter proper.

What was your source just now for that letter?
 
Vixen said:
The Eesti Päevaleht
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And the rest of my questions?

What date was the article and what evidence do they offer that Moik was dismissed from his position because of that interview.

Why are you copying and pasting from Bjorkman's website if you've got an "audit trail"? What are the details of this "audit trail"?
 
Vixen said:
A Reuters registered reporter interviewed someone in authority who spoke in an official capacity.

As well as Bengt Stenmark's quote speaking on behalf of Swedish Maritime Safety.

Turku's maritime director Erik Mörd said that Avo Piht had been transported by car to Helsinki, 28 Sept 1994.

Then Danish and Swedish papers reported he had gone missing from Helsinki Hospital.

So all of these reporters and informants are disreputable...?
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It's your interpretation of the reports that we doubt as you have been shown to misquote, misattribute and invent your own stories that you attribute to various news agencies.
 
Vixen said:
You can shout it was 'bleedin' obvious' as much as you like. However, it was the JAIC's responsibility to draw up a time line. If the flooding in the engine control room was much earlier than the bow visor falling off, then that is salient.
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It wasn't earlier.
 
Vixen said:
Here you go, then:

From Eesti Päevaleht 990917




After such a frank interview captain Moik was dismissed from Estline.

JAIC had a conflict of interest IMV as they had people close to Estline and their shipping industry sitting on the JAIC and were VERY sensitive to any criticism of the Estonian crew.
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Where in any of that does it say he was dismissed for giving the interview?

Is that the bit you are making up?
 
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