Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[JoeMorgue]

When Cops shoot an unarmed black who wasn't doing anything 348 times in the back. "It's not our fault, our cop training just kicked in! It was a split second reaction!"

When Cops set a man on fire and stand there with their thumbs up their butts. "It's not our fault, we weren't trained for this! You can't expect me to just magically react in a split second!"

 

[Darat]

More arrests in the sprawling Honolulu police corruption case.

The chief players in this scheme have already been arrested and convicted. For background:



https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/disgraced-couple-sentenced-hawaii-corruption-case-74463708

3 more arrests yesterday for city officials who arranged a $250,000 retirement payout to the disgraced police chief under federal investigation.



https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/01/12/3-high-ranking-former-city-officials-surrender-fbi-part-massive-corruption-probe/

That would seem to be very unusual - actual criminal charges for the "white collar" brigade.

 

[bluesjnr]

My father was an MP during WW2. He joined the Alameda police force after the war. One day he saw a Mexican gang member called Pachukos looking suspicious. He went over to this gang member who pulled out a bicycle chain and tore my fathers legs open. My father beat him with a Billy club and a weapon called a slapjack. He almost killed him. This was in the late 40's.

He was given leave but it was decided that my fathers injuries justified his use of force. He carried deep ugly scars on his legs for the rest of his life. He ended up being a detective which is an occupation he was in until total retirement.

I don't know what the public would think of him if he was on a modern police force.

He'd have been scar free as the gang member, "looking suspicious", would have put him in fear for his life and he would have shot Pachukos at least 4 times.

 

[deadrose]

Speaking of almost beating someone to death, charges have been dropped against a San Francisco man for assault, exhibiting a deadly weapon, and resisting arrest with force.

He was stopped by plainclothes police, and when they announced they were going to search him, he started to walk away. So 3 cops piled on him and beat him, fracturing his cheekbone among other things. The deadly weapon? An X-acto knife that came uncapped during the beatdown.

More details here: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/charges-dismissed-against-man-whose-face-was-fractured-by-three-san-francisco-cops/

 

[Babbylonian]

My father was an MP during WW2. He joined the Alameda police force after the war. One day he saw a Mexican gang member called Pachukos looking suspicious. He went over to this gang member who pulled out a bicycle chain and tore my fathers legs open. My father beat him with a Billy club and a weapon called a slapjack. He almost killed him. This was in the late 40's.

He was given leave but it was decided that my fathers injuries justified his use of force. He carried deep ugly scars on his legs for the rest of his life. He ended up being a detective which is an occupation he was in until total retirement.

I don't know what the public would think of him if he was on a modern police force.

Even in your fantasy you can't give your "father" a better cause than the guy was "looking suspicious?"

 

[johnny karate]

Even in your fantasy you can't give your "father" a better cause than the guy was "looking suspicious?"

Well, he did say he was a "gang member", apparently referring to flashing neon sign all gang members have over their heads.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Well, he did say he was a "gang member", apparently referring to flashing neon sign all gang members have over their heads.

Like he needed more reason than that guy being blatantly mexican.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Georgia deputy suspended over Facebook comment about Ahmaud Arbery

WARNER ROBINS, Ga. — A Georgia sheriff’s deputy was suspended and faces being fired over comments posted on social media after a judge sentenced three white men to life imprisonment in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, news outlets reported.

Reacting to a story on WGXA-TV’s Facebook page after the men were sentenced on their murder convictions in the shooting of Arbery, a Black man who was jogging through a neighborhood, someone wrote: “That criminal arbery still got the death penalty though.”

The comment was later deleted, but screenshots were shared with news outlets and the Houston County Sheriff’s Office, which investigated and subsequently suspended longtime deputy Paul Urhahn.

Action News Jaxs: https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...26HQo2hhv18NuaaJvEPJMWEyiAkT2exaKNxnrVW-3tE0g

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Georgia deputy suspended over Facebook comment about Ahmaud Arbery



Action News Jaxs: https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...26HQo2hhv18NuaaJvEPJMWEyiAkT2exaKNxnrVW-3tE0g

Lol cops really can't help themselves, can they?

 

[jimbob]

My father was an MP during WW2. He joined the Alameda police force after the war. One day he saw a Mexican gang member called Pachukos looking suspicious. He went over to this gang member who pulled out a bicycle chain and tore my fathers legs open. My father beat him with a Billy club and a weapon called a slapjack. He almost killed him. This was in the late 40's.

He was given leave but it was decided that my fathers injuries justified his use of force. He carried deep ugly scars on his legs for the rest of his life. He ended up being a detective which is an occupation he was in until total retirement.

I don't know what the public would think of him if he was on a modern police force.

Using a truncheon in self-defence after being attacked and wounded is fine. Over-reacting and not stopping when the attacker was no longer a threat was probably unprofessional, but there's more leeway in such a situation compared to many of the stories here. Shooting innocent people (mostly men, and mostly black) after giving contradictory instructions, or after raiding the wrong house, without explaining they're the police, and shooting someone sleeping.

To say nothing of the outright corruption and abuse of power, as opposed to what should at best be considered negligent homicide, or whatever the equivalent is in their jurisdiction.

 

[shemp]

Virginia Beach Cops Used Fake DNA To Pressure Subjects During Interrogations: Official

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) — Virginia Beach police used forged documents that linked people’s DNA to a crime to get them to confess or cooperate with investigators, Virginia’s outgoing attorney general announced Wednesday.

The city’s police department has changed its policy in the wake of the state’s probe, Attorney General Mark Herring said in a statement. In a separate statement, the city said it had ended the practice in May after conducting its own investigation, but called the tactic legal.

How the **** is using forged documents legal?

Virginia Beach police serve a city of about 450,000 people along the state’s coast. Officers used fake reports purporting to be from the Virginia Department of Forensic Science at least five times during interrogations between 2016 and 2020, Herring’s office said.

The bogus pieces of paper included a seal and letterhead from the state agency, the AG’s office said. In two instances, the documents included the signature of a fictitious employee from the department, and in at least one instance, a forged report was presented to a court as evidence, the AG’s office said.

Herring’s office did not say whether the use of the forged documents would invalidate any confessions that were obtained as a result, or otherwise affect the cases in which they were employed.

How about releasing anyone convicted by this, and throwing the cops who did it in jail?

 

[Carlotta]

Oklahoma cop that murdered his adopted daughter's boyfriend after stalking them using a police database sentenced to 25 years.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-police-officer-25-years-2014-killing-82142090


The cop kindly dropped off his adopted daughter off at a homeless shelter with nothing more than the clothes on her back shortly after she turned 18 and became upset when he learned through social media she was dating the deceased. The cop used police databases to learn the victim's address, accosted his daughter there who refused to speak with him, then gunned down the 19 year old man in the street. The cop also shot at his daughter and 2 other witnesses for good measure before fleeing the scene.

Interesting nugget, the cop unsuccessfully made a self defense claim, arguing that the victim pulled a small pistol during the encounter. Someone(s) in the department passed on information about an unrelated gun in evidence at the police station in an attempt to fabricate evidence to justify a murder. I guess a little bit of murder doesn't crack the thin blue line.



https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndok/pr/shannon-kepler-found-guilty-using-firearm-commission-second-degree-murder-and-assault

Virginia Beach Cops Used Fake DNA To Pressure Subjects During Interrogations: Official




How the **** is using forged documents legal?



How about releasing anyone convicted by this, and throwing the cops who did it in jail?

Because it's perfectly legal for cops to lie during interrogation. Lying to cops is probably perjury.

 

[Bob001]

Virginia Beach Cops Used Fake DNA To Pressure Subjects During Interrogations: Official


How the **** is using forged documents legal?

How about releasing anyone convicted by this, and throwing the cops who did it in jail?

It's well-established that cops can lie to suspects to elicit confessions. All the more reason to shut up and get a lawyer.

 

[Bob001]

Because it's perfectly legal for cops to lie during interrogation. Lying to cops is probably perjury.

Perjury is in a legal proceeding. Lying to law enforcement officers is a separate crime. You might recall that Martha Stewart went to prison not for insider trading, but for lying about it.

 

[Carlotta]

Perjury is in a legal proceeding. Lying to law enforcement officers is a separate crime. You might recall that Martha Stewart went to prison not for insider trading, but for lying about it.

Yeah, I wasn't sure about that part, but I was about the first! They can tell you anything they want.

 

[gnome]

Using a truncheon in self-defence after being attacked and wounded is fine. Over-reacting and not stopping when the attacker was no longer a threat was probably unprofessional, but there's more leeway in such a situation compared to many of the stories here. Shooting innocent people (mostly men, and mostly black) after giving contradictory instructions, or after raiding the wrong house, without explaining they're the police, and shooting someone sleeping.

To say nothing of the outright corruption and abuse of power, as opposed to what should at best be considered negligent homicide, or whatever the equivalent is in their jurisdiction.

I see this kind of argument often and I'm disappointed this isn't a place where participants know better. It's an obvious false analogy by Cainkane1, making it a straw man argument. I think it may come from the expectation that someone will draw their opinion about a situation just by what kind of person the participants are, and supporting the one they have the greater political sympathy for, instead of according to what actually happened.

 

[Babbylonian]

I see this kind of argument often and I'm disappointed this isn't a place where participants know better. It's an obvious false analogy by Cainkane1, making it a straw man argument. I think it may come from the expectation that someone will draw their opinion about a situation just by what kind of person the participants are, and supporting the one they have the greater political sympathy for, instead of according to what actually happened.

"Actually happened?" No. It's his fiction. The good cop being attacked with a bicycle chain (a preposterous weapon to use against an armed police officer) and then responding with two blunt weapons despite receiving wounds that would end up creating "deep ugly scars?" It didn't happen.

 

[Checkmite]

Police in Henderson, Nevada arrested a 23-year-old black man on a warrant for a 49-year-old white man with the same name. The warrant was for a weapons charge, specifically illegal possession by a felon. The felony that resulted in the firearm prohibition for the person the warrant had actually been issued for, had been committed three years before the wrongfully-arrested man was born.

The victim has filed a lawsuit contending that both the arresting police and the corrections officials made no attempt to verify his identity, or even just actually read the warrant itself beyond the name listed on it, despite his repeatedly informing them of the mistake. The lawsuit contends that police even assigned the original convict's identification number to the victim during booking despite having to enter a new, completely different physical description and date of birth for him that could not have matched the original details recorded for that ID number.

He spent six days in jail and was even brought by police to court for arraignment as the original suspect before the judge recognized the difference in booking photos and ordered him released.

 

[The Don]

Police in Henderson, Nevada arrested a 23-year-old black man on a warrant for a 49-year-old white man with the same name. The warrant was for a weapons charge, specifically illegal possession by a felon. The felony that resulted in the firearm prohibition for the person the warrant had actually been issued for, had been committed three years before the wrongfully-arrested man was born.

The victim has filed a lawsuit contending that both the arresting police and the corrections officials made no attempt to verify his identity, or even just actually read the warrant itself beyond the name listed on it, despite his repeatedly informing them of the mistake. The lawsuit contends that police even assigned the original convict's identification number to the victim during booking despite having to enter a new, completely different physical description and date of birth for him that could not have matched the original details recorded for that ID number.

He spent six days in jail and was even brought by police to court for arraignment as the original suspect before the judge recognized the difference in booking photos and ordered him released.

From Not the Nine o'Clock News:

 

[Andy_Ross]

"Actually happened?" No. It's his fiction. The good cop being attacked with a bicycle chain (a preposterous weapon to use against an armed police officer) and then responding with two blunt weapons despite receiving wounds that would end up creating "deep ugly scars?" It didn't happen.

My Uncle Martin would show us a scar on his arm, it was his 'war wound'
He was aboard HMS Ajax at the Battle of the River Plate and on Malta convoys.
Ajax was hit and damaged a number of times.
We always assumed he was wounded in battle by an exploding shell or bomb.
It turns out he came through all the battles uninjured and hurt his arm in an accident with a hatch in one of the turrets.

Things aren't always what they seem.