Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[deadrose]

A 65 year old California man is suing the police for paralyzing him for the rest of his life. They allegedly slammed him to the ground and ignored his complaints that he couldn't feel his arms or legs. Should be interesting to see what happens. https://apnews.com/article/police-lawsuits-california-sacramento-c321ca6ee74d901dd01cec313637c7df

 

[deadrose]

A note on that: there's a linked video in the article where you can see the x-rays of his neck, showing the hardware they put in and the damage to his vertebrae. This is not something they do to people exaggerating or faking symptoms.

And if anyone's curious how he manages to have use of his arms but not his hands, I used to date a guy that had the same injury. In his case, it was caused by a high school football coach that never taught his players why they shouldn't use their heads/helmets as battering rams. The injury is at the C5 vertebra or below.

 

[ZiprHead]

I noted the irony of a cop having a "Live free or die" tattoo on his arm.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Oklahoma cop that murdered his adopted daughter's boyfriend after stalking them using a police database sentenced to 25 years.

TULSA, Okla. -- A former Oklahoma police officer was sentenced Friday to 25 years in prison for the 2014 killing of his daughter's boyfriend after being convicted of second-degree murder the fifth time he went on trial in the case.

U.S. District Judge Gregory Frizzell sentenced Shannon Kepler, 61, to 300 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release. He also ordered Kepler, a former Tulsa police officer, to pay restitution to cover the cost of a headstone for Jeremey Lake, who was 19 years old when Kepler killed him.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-police-officer-25-years-2014-killing-82142090


The cop kindly dropped off his adopted daughter off at a homeless shelter with nothing more than the clothes on her back shortly after she turned 18 and became upset when he learned through social media she was dating the deceased. The cop used police databases to learn the victim's address, accosted his daughter there who refused to speak with him, then gunned down the 19 year old man in the street. The cop also shot at his daughter and 2 other witnesses for good measure before fleeing the scene.

Interesting nugget, the cop unsuccessfully made a self defense claim, arguing that the victim pulled a small pistol during the encounter. Someone(s) in the department passed on information about an unrelated gun in evidence at the police station in an attempt to fabricate evidence to justify a murder. I guess a little bit of murder doesn't crack the thin blue line.

While Kepler’s attorney argued that a gun found in the Tulsa Police Department several days later “could” have been taken from the scene, expert and forensic evidence proved that the two incidents were unrelated.

The prosecution proved that Kepler had not only heard about the unrelated gun, but that he had also been provided with police reports and photographs of it before ever testifying.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndok/pr/shannon-kepler-found-guilty-using-firearm-commission-second-degree-murder-and-assault

 

[Carlotta]

Oklahoma cop that murdered his adopted daughter's boyfriend after stalking them using a police database sentenced to 25 years.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-police-officer-25-years-2014-killing-82142090


The cop kindly dropped off his adopted daughter off at a homeless shelter with nothing more than the clothes on her back shortly after she turned 18 and became upset when he learned through social media she was dating the deceased. The cop used police databases to learn the victim's address, accosted his daughter there who refused to speak with him, then gunned down the 19 year old man in the street. The cop also shot at his daughter and 2 other witnesses for good measure before fleeing the scene.

Interesting nugget, the cop unsuccessfully made a self defense claim, arguing that the victim pulled a small pistol during the encounter. Someone(s) in the department passed on information about an unrelated gun in evidence at the police station in an attempt to fabricate evidence to justify a murder. I guess a little bit of murder doesn't crack the thin blue line.


https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndok/pr/shannon-kepler-found-guilty-using-firearm-commission-second-degree-murder-and-assault

Did it ever?

 

[Checkmite]

Oklahoma cop that murdered his adopted daughter's boyfriend after stalking them using a police database sentenced to 25 years.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-police-officer-25-years-2014-killing-82142090


The cop kindly dropped off his adopted daughter off at a homeless shelter with nothing more than the clothes on her back shortly after she turned 18 and became upset when he learned through social media she was dating the deceased. The cop used police databases to learn the victim's address, accosted his daughter there who refused to speak with him, then gunned down the 19 year old man in the street. The cop also shot at his daughter and 2 other witnesses for good measure before fleeing the scene.

Interesting nugget, the cop unsuccessfully made a self defense claim, arguing that the victim pulled a small pistol during the encounter. Someone(s) in the department passed on information about an unrelated gun in evidence at the police station in an attempt to fabricate evidence to justify a murder. I guess a little bit of murder doesn't crack the thin blue line.



https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndok/pr/shannon-kepler-found-guilty-using-firearm-commission-second-degree-murder-and-assault

This is seriously fascinating - the world inside this man's head. It's not uncommon for parents to just refuse to really recognize the fact that their children (daughters particularly) have become independent adults, but this particular father seemed to very much not have that problem, indeed going out of his way to make a point of symbolically ending the parental relationship with his daughter by delivering her to a homeless shelter with nothing and abandoning her there. And yet even so, he still felt an entitlement to scrutinize her life choices and interfere directly when he disapproved - all the way to the point of murdering a man for no other reason than that he didn't want his daughter dating the person.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Catskill cops tase man inside police station, lighting him on fire. Police then walk away, shut the door, and let him burn to death.

Videos released by the New York attorney general's office Friday show a man engulfed in flames after a police officer used a Taser on him. Jason Jones, 29, later died at a New York hospital.

The first of two videos dated October 30, 2021, begins with Jones and three officers are in the lobby of a police station in Catskill. Jones appears to be upset, ripping his shirt off, throwing a shoe and knocking over a hand sanitizer container.

In the second video, an officer fires his Taser just after Jones had squirted the flammable hand sanitizer onto his head and body. There is a flash of light and Jones' upper body becomes engulfed in flames for just over 20 seconds. He rolls on the floor to put the flames out, and when he stands, he appears to have burns on his upper body. Medics arrive minutes later.

In this screenshot from video, Jason Jones is seen in the lobby of a Catskill police station. Jones became engulfed in flames when an officer used a Taser on him after he doused himself in flammable hand sanitizer on October 30, 2021.

"Jason was unarmed, in the police station, and not threatening anyone when the police hit him with 50,000 volts of electrical current and he ignited," Jones' attorney Kevin Luibrand told CBS News. "Instead of helping Jason, the police ran out the room, shut the door and let him burn."

CBSNews: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/catski...e-burns-video-investigation-attorney-general/

FoxNews: (So pathetic losers can't complain about a biased source) https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-taser-fire-hand-sanitizer-experts-react

Videos of Incident: (Note: The video labeled "Video 2" includes the incident in question and may be disturbing for some.) https://ag.ny.gov/osi/footage/jason-jones

 

[shemp]

The thing I found most disturbing is that when he catches fire, nobody ******* tries to put it out or help him! The cops all run out when he catches fire. Then while he's burning, one cop pokes his head in from the back room and does nothing. Only when the fire is out does another cop come in and use his hands to try to smother the fire, which is useless because the fire is already out. Is there no fire extinguisher in the building!? That's some fine ******* police work there, boys! Give everyone a medal!

On the video his burns don't look that bad. They didn't provide an actual cause of death, so I'm guessing he either died of an infection, or of organ failure related to the burns. Hospitals are a great place to catch an infection.

 

[mgidm86]

Jones spent 48 days in an ICU in Syracuse before he died on December 15, his attorney told CBS affiliate WRGB. His exact cause of death is not clear.

Rest of the story please?



He sprayed some of that sanitizer on the floor and the cops may have had it on themselves as well. You can see a small spot on fire on the floor for a few seconds.


The tazing is problematic as sanitizer has a lot of alcohol in it.



As for not helping the man, the initial reaction for the cops was obviously to get away from the flames. Did the room they ducked into have a fire extinguisher or blankets?


I'm not ready to blame the cops just yet for not immediately jumping on a man in flames. Perhaps they should have subdued or restrained him during the long length of time before he burned instead of letting him wander around the lobby. I'm sure the burning part was pretty shocking at first.

"When you're running down the street on fire, people get out of your way!”

- Richard Pryor

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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On the video his burns don't look that bad. They didn't provide an actual cause of death, so I'm guessing he either died of an infection, or of organ failure related to the burns. Hospitals are a great place to catch an infection.

He may have seared his lungs or his burns may be worse than they look. But given the time until the fire was out and the fact the alcohol would need to burn up before the skin burned, I don't think that was enough time for any third degree burns, even on his scalp.

Jones spent 48 days in an ICU in Syracuse before he died on December 15, his attorney told CBS affiliate WRGB. His exact cause of death is not clear. That amount of time suggests lung injuries.

Could be ARDS from inhaling heat or the combustion products of the alcohol, from infection, or he might have contracted nosocomial COVID.


Piss-poor police training at a minimum.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I came here to post this, maybe you guys can make sense of the minutes before the cop shot and killed the guy:

Body camera footage released in fatal shooting of Ohio man on New Year's Day

Some of the stuff in the story doesn't make sense and doesn't match the body cam footage.

In body camera footage, an officer can be heard saying, "I saw the male's head through the fence. After I heard the shots, I got in my cruiser, went up to the porch and I saw him putting the rifle away."

That has to be after the fact, one cop telling another what had happened???? But I don't see any body cam footage of said cop going up to the porch. And if the man in the house put the rifle away, wouldn't that be the time for the cop to yell their usual spiel: everyone on the floor or whatever?

Then, several shots are fired and the officer appears to walk toward the sound. The officer approaches the fence of Williams' home. In the audio of the body camera footage, shots can still be heard. That's when the officer shoots toward the fence and fatally strikes Williams, who, Marquetta said, was on the other side.

Of course there is the usual claim:

A statement from the Canton Police Department said the officer was "in fear for his safety" when he shot Williams.

It's pretty clear the officer made no attempt to tell the man to put the gun down. These guys always shoot before they assess what is going on. More than a few people in the neighborhood were shooting guns off at midnight.

Was that wrong? Of course, those bullets do come back down and do sometimes kill and injure people a mile or more away. But is it a capital offense? And is it a shoot first assess later situation? If the cop saw the guy then he should have been able to see the man was shooting into the air. And if he couldn't see more than the guy's head, how did the cop know if bystanders or the kids in the house were clear of the shot?

 

[Darat]

It really is terrible how the police no longer have a day or two to get their story straight, of course they can't be expected to remember what actually happened!

 

[TurkeysGhost]

This is seriously fascinating - the world inside this man's head. It's not uncommon for parents to just refuse to really recognize the fact that their children (daughters particularly) have become independent adults, but this particular father seemed to very much not have that problem, indeed going out of his way to make a point of symbolically ending the parental relationship with his daughter by delivering her to a homeless shelter with nothing and abandoning her there. And yet even so, he still felt an entitlement to scrutinize her life choices and interfere directly when he disapproved - all the way to the point of murdering a man for no other reason than that he didn't want his daughter dating the person.

Dumping her off at a homeless shelter may have just been an abuse tactic and not intended as a permanent severing of their control over her. Seeing her moving on from this traumatic experience rather than come crawling back may have been an unexpected result. Totally speculative of course, and it's pretty hard to understand the motives of someone so clearly abusive.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Rest of the story please?



He sprayed some of that sanitizer on the floor and the cops may have had it on themselves as well. You can see a small spot on fire on the floor for a few seconds.


The tazing is problematic as sanitizer has a lot of alcohol in it.



As for not helping the man, the initial reaction for the cops was obviously to get away from the flames. Did the room they ducked into have a fire extinguisher or blankets?


I'm not ready to blame the cops just yet for not immediately jumping on a man in flames. Perhaps they should have subdued or restrained him during the long length of time before he burned instead of letting him wander around the lobby. I'm sure the burning part was pretty shocking at first.

They set the guy alight and then ran away!

Who else was to blame?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

City pays out $300,000 to clean up the mess their cops made with malicious prosecution of local activists.

The city of Portsmouth will pay a Virginia state senator $300,0000 under a settlement in a lawsuit the senator filed after she was charged with damaging a Confederate monument during a 2020 protest.

Portsmouth police charged Sen. Louise Lucas and several others with conspiracy to commit a felony and injury to a monument in excess of $1,000 after a protest that drew hundreds of people to a local Confederate monument. The heads of Confederate statues were ripped off and one statue was pulled down, critically injuring a demonstrator.

Two months later, former Portsmouth police Chief Angela Greene announced felony criminal charges against Lucas and 18 others, including NAACP leaders, public defenders and a Portsmouth School Board member.

A judge later dismissed all charges in the case. Greene was fired the same day.

Lucas served Greene and the police officer who filed charges against her with the $6.75 million lawsuit in November 2021, alleging malicious prosecution, false imprisonment and gross negligence. It also accused Greene of defamation.

https://www.yourconroenews.com/news/article/Virginia-senator-to-receive-300k-to-settle-16761241.php

Racist cops are expensive.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I was wondering who the first person to try to get the "Well wadda da cops supposed to do after setting the man on fire?" narrative going was going to be.

We will not being having "I demand a civil debate about why it's my moral responsibility to help someone I just set on fire" discussion here.

 

[jimbob]

I was wondering who the first person to try to get the "Well wadda da cops supposed to do after setting the man on fire?" narrative going was going to be.

We will not being having "I demand a civil debate about why it's my moral responsibility to help someone I just set on fire" discussion here.

In this case, it was tazering someone covered in a flammable liquid that was the problem.

Running away when they started to burn, if the cops were also covered in the same substance wasn't the problem.

Not having any fire extinguishers was another problem.

 

[ponderingturtle]

It really is terrible how the police no longer have a day or two to get their story straight, of course they can't be expected to remember what actually happened!

And there is actual video evidence that always contradicts their careful narative.

 

[JoeMorgue]

And there is actual video evidence that always contradicts their careful narative.

If the Arbury case has taught us anything we'll still have to argue their narrative anyway.

 

[shemp]

It really is terrible how the police no longer have a day or two to get their story straight, of course they can't be expected to remember what actually happened!

You'd think there'd be money in the budget to hire a PR firm to come up with dozens of prepared excuses, into which they can just insert names, dates and times.