Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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Armitage72 said:
It sounds like the arguments I've seen that homeless shelters encourage homelessness. If a homeless person knows that they have food and shelter available, then they have no incentive to stop being homeless.
Shelters are set up like 4-star resorts, right?
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Similar arguments are made against 'food banks' in the UK.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I once heard the rather cynical but not exactly unreasonable theory put forth that if we don't make prisons/jail/custody outright horrible it might start to be seen as a preferable alternative to how our lowest classes of citizens already live.
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That harkens back to the days of the famine in Ireland where people would commit crimes in hopes of getting sent to a prison colony.
 
A Kansas teenager died in law enforcement custody after being restrained in the prone position. His death was ruled a homicide

Quick everyone before clicking the article answer true or false to the following question correctly and win a set of steak knives.

1. The teenager was black.
2. The crime he was being arrested/detained for was not exactly a tri-state murder spree.
3. The police are basically claiming "It's his own damn fault for being weak/sick while we arrested him."

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/28/us/cedric-lofton-death-custody/index.html
 
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JoeMorgue said:
A Kansas teenager died in law enforcement custody after being restrained in the prone position. His death was ruled a homicide

Quick everyone before clicking the article answer true or false to the following question correctly and win a set of steak knives.

1. The teenager was black.
2. The crime he was being arrested/detained for was not exactly a tri-state murder spree.
3. The police are basically claiming "It's his own damn fault for being weak/sick while we arrested him."

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/28/us/cedric-lofton-death-custody/index.html
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Good time to refresh that pretty much everyone has known about the dangers of prolonged face-down restraint since the 90's at the latest, and the fact that US prison/police routinely use these dangerous tactics is very much a deliberate choice rooted in total indifference to the well being of the public.

The New York Police Department’s guidelines, explaining protocols for mitigating in-custody deaths, were published in a 1995 Department of Justice bulletin on "positional asphyxia."[2][3] The NYPD recommended that, “[a]s soon as the subject is handcuffed, get him off his stomach. Turn him on his side or place him in a seated position."[2][3] A 1996 FBI bulletin said that many law enforcement and health personnel were being taught to avoid restraining people face-down or to do so only for a very short period of time.[4]

Resuscitation of persons who exhibit cardiac arrest following restraint has proven to be difficult, according to a 1995 article in Annals of Emergency Medicine. Even in cases where the subject was in the immediate care of paramedics, resuscitation has failed and the subject has died.[5] A March 1999 article in the Academic Emergency Medicine journal reported that one group of doctors had presented a method of resuscitation, correcting acidosis in the blood of the victim, which proved effective in their small scale study.[6] A 2010 article in the Journal of the Tennessee Medical Association reported a single case of successful resuscitation using "aggressive sedation", "ventilatory assistance" among other interventions but added that "avoiding hobble and prone restraint positions may eliminate some of the problems".[7]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_asphyxia

I really don't see how this changes unless these kinds of preventable deaths reliably end in criminal charges for those responsible.
 
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“ occasional snoring sounds," the autopsy states”

WTF!? Snoring sounds when he was face down! The pathologist must have thought the murdered person had decided to have a little nap after all the excitement.
 
Darat said:
“ occasional snoring sounds," the autopsy states”

WTF!? Snoring sounds when he was face down! The pathologist must have thought the murdered person had decided to have a little nap after all the excitement.
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Hey, they're pigs, not doctors. Sure, a restrained person who was recently alert and active loses consciousness for inexplicable reasons and seems to have belabored breathing. That's nothing to worry about I'm sure.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Good time to refresh that pretty much everyone has known about the dangers of prolonged face-down restraint since the 90's at the latest, and the fact that US prison/police routinely use these dangerous tactics is very much a deliberate choice rooted in total indifference to the well being of the public.
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I can speak from personal experience that the "recovery" position (on the side, knees slightly bent and tucked in, chin moved up so it isn't "nestled" in the lower part of the neck/top of the chest) was drilled into me as the proper thing to do after non-lethal weapons or holds or for someone who was in restraints back in boot camp in 1997 exactly for this reason, to avoid any potential positional asphyxia.
 
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Also again I hate how much their excuses don't work even in their own version of events.

Again let's hit the "I believe" button and say that this *checks notes* 185 pound 17 year old was an unstoppable rage monster who was going to leap to his feet and start punching continents to death the second they let their guard down. So he had to be put in a straightjacket face down with leg irons and a Hannibel Lector mask and Mjiolner on his back for the good of society

Wouldn't you want to like... keep an eye on them then? Crazy idea maybe.

The narrative is always the same. "He was such a violent offender that for the safety of us and society we had to use extreme measures... but then we just like left him there and didn't check on him or anything."
 
JoeMorgue said:
Also again I hate how much their excuses don't work even in their own version of events.

Again let's hit the "I believe" button and say that this *checks notes* 185 pound 17 year old was an unstoppable rage monster who was going to leap to his feet and start punching continents to death the second they let their guard down. So he had to be put in a straightjacket face down with leg irons and a Hannibel Lector mask and Mjiolner on his back for the good of society

Wouldn't you want to like... keep an eye on them then? Crazy idea maybe.

The narrative is always the same. "He was such a violent offender that for the safety of us and society we had to use extreme measures... but then we just like left him there and didn't check on him or anything."
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They knew he was OK - they heard him snoring!
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Good time to refresh that pretty much everyone has known about the dangers of prolonged face-down restraint since the 90's at the latest, and the fact that US prison/police routinely use these dangerous tactics is very much a deliberate choice rooted in total indifference to the well being of the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_asphyxia

I really don't see how this changes unless these kinds of preventable deaths reliably end in criminal charges for those responsible.
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There was an episode of a medical drama back in 2010 in which the patient of the week (who it turned out was suffering from zinc poisoning) was thought to have been driving drunk due to his symptoms, and the police officer cuffed him and placed him face down on the sidewalk. He almost died, but the doctor main character passed by, realized that he was suffocating, and intervened. In this case, the man in cuffs was ... checks his bio ... 7 feet tall and 485 pounds.
 
Houston PD protected and served by accidentally running over and Killing a pedestrian on the sidewalk. I guess they teach driving 100mph in a 40mph zone one handed on wet roads at the police academy.

Hernandez at times drove the 6,300-pound Ford Police Intercepter between 80 and 100 mph down Reed Road, according to the cruiser's speedometer shown in a five-minute clip from his bodycam. Traffic on Reed Road is limited to 40 mph

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Reed Road was wet from a recent rain shower that Saturday afternoon, according to a crash report filed by HPD. Video shows the cruiser's windshield wipers were activated as Hernandez maneuvered the police SUV through traffic, appearing on multiple occasions to be using only one hand to steer the speeding vehicle over slick residential roads.

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Hernandez's cruiser slid slightly right, jumping the sidewalk and hitting Jackson before slamming into a Dumpster bin in a nearby parking lot.



Houston police have yet to close the case, and it is unclear if prosecutors will pursue charges against Hernandez.
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https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/amp/Houston-police-hits-pedestrian-pursuit-16745763.php

HPD still trying to figure out if it's illegal for cops to commit vehicular manslaughter
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Houston PD protected and served by accidentally running over and Killing a pedestrian on the sidewalk. I guess they teach driving 100mph in a 40mph zone one handed on wet roads at the police academy.
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A North Carolina State Highway Patrol trooper accidentally killed his police officer brother and a suspect after he lost control of his car and crashed into him Monday night.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4401062/cop-accidentally-kills-his-officer-brother-traffic-stop/
 
Whoops, another cop went mask-off Nazi mode:

Kent assistant police chief disciplined for posting Nazi insignia, joking about Holocaust

An assistant police chief in Kent has been disciplined for posting Nazi insignia on his office door, embracing the rank of an official in Adolf Hitler’s dreaded paramilitary Schutzstaffel or SS — responsible for the murders of millions of Jews — and joking about the Holocaust.

Assistant Chief Derek Kammerzell was given two weeks off without pay by Kent Police Chief Rafael Padilla in July after an internal investigation concluded that Kammerzell knew full well the meaning of the insignia he posted above the nameplate on his office door in September 2020 — that of an SS “obergruppenfuhrer,” one of the senior-most ranks in the Third Reich. The insignia was taken down after four days when a detective in the investigations bureau, which Kammerzell commanded, filed a complaint.
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/kent-assistant-police-chief-disciplined-for-posting-nazi-insignia-and-joking-about-the-holocaust/
 
Matthew Best said:
A North Carolina police officer accidentally shot and seriously injured his 15-year-old son Monday night, a report said.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/29/north-carolina-police-officer-accidentally-shoots-son-in-head/
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The son died.

The caller is advising that it’s going to be accidental,” said a sheriff’s office dispatcher in a recording obtained by WITN News. “They were advising they were playing with toy guns. Somehow they’ve had a gunshot wound.”

In the recording, that dispatcher said a .45 caliber weapon was used in the shooting. A deputy at the scene then advised the shooter was a Jacksonville police officer.
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Obviously criminal, but the cop has not been charged.

https://www.wndu.com/2022/01/05/son...dium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wndu
 
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