The supernatural

[IanS]

1- No. I do not want to change the word of God.
This is a great sin. And its ruling is takfir. I just want to study modern science in the Qur'an. And to interpret and interpret the Qur'an up to date. This is a valuable work. And it is not against the word of God. And God loves it. The Qur'an must come out of scientific abandonment.
2 - I see the negotiation between you. I understand that teaching religion in your schools is forbidden. My opinion is: this is a very good approach. And I totally agree. Because the child's mind is very ready to accept any subject. If a child is taught superstitious and false religious material.
A terrible tragedy has happened. First, we have taken the child's freedom. And we have destroyed his trust. He has accepted religion as an imitation-compulsion and prejudice. And this is very bad and ugly. Until he reaches the age of intellectual maturity, he may accept.
That's too bad. Or when he reaches the age of diagnosis. He rejects everyone. And suffers from mental disorders. And we have committed a great betrayal of the child. So your education system for schools and children is approved by me. And I totally agree. (teaching religion in your schools is forbidden.- ok) Well, I think we are in this group, we are not -18 years old. And all their ages are +40! So there is apparently no problem with religious debates in this group.
3- I will tell you about the creation and evolution of human beings and all living beings from the Qur'an and its verses. If you allow. And do not fill your time with different questions. Let me tell you my article. To be enlightened by the Qur'an.
4- We do not have in the Qur'an that man evolved from ape. From the Qur'anic point of view, human evolution is in 4 stages. And it is the special opinion of the Qur'an. Which I will fully explain to you in my article.
5- We accept the age of the earth. But human evolution began when matter came into being. That is, the logic of the Qur'an is that: The evolution of man and all living beings began from the time of the "Planck range". That is, long before the creation and life of the earth.
It may be very hard for you to believe this. But this is the logic of the Qur'an and us. Since the creation of matter, God has been planning all the needs of living things. And evolution begins. Read my article.

Just answer the blinking questions !!!

Do not (as you are doing again above for the 100th time here) tell me that you will at some time in the future give an answer that you have created for yourself from your own "article" where you are trying to interpret re-write and correct the Koran ... just answer the blinking question!

Did man evolve from earlier apes? Yes or No??

What does your Koran say about Humans evolving from earlier apes? ... QUOTE IT !!

 

[Mojo]

You are not careful !! I have said to you and other friends many times: Hell and the torments of hell are just parables. In order for human beings not to approach sin. It is just a metaphor. Hell is singularity. The universe is back to this point. We all experience it. Why aren't you careful man? What are you worried about? It is the destiny of the universe to return to singularity.
You bother in vain. Rest.

Oh so now you are claiming that the quran is merely made up junk and not even vaguely true, just a big bucket of pointless metaphors. OK.

No, he’s claiming that hell is just a metaphor and that it is real, in the same paragraph.

 

[Scorpion]

Because the narrator of the divine books is only one person and that is "God".

If God is the narrator of the Quran, how can you dare to try to interpret it and reduce it to metaphors ? You are saying what God says in the Quran is not accurate and clear.
So as I have said before, if God is the author of the Quran he is a mumbling, semi literate, monster.

 

[Myriad]

We accept the age of the earth. But human evolution began when matter came into being. That is, the logic of the Qur'an is that: The evolution of man and all living beings began from the time of the "Planck range". That is, long before the creation and life of the earth.

That contradicts the Quran because there was no mud anywhere in the early universe.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Oh so now you are claiming that the quran is merely made up junk and not even vaguely true, just a big bucket of pointless metaphors. OK.

Indeed.
This would then mean that there were no punishments for unbelievers, because they're just parables and metaphors too.
It would also mean there is no heaven/paradise either- this, and the supposed rewards, all the virgins and green fields and whatnot, are metaphors as well.
Heydarian has also said angels don't exist. Not sure about Djinn, though. Probably a metaphor too.
Furthermore, he says that Quran can be selectively reinterpreted to mean whatever he wants it to mean.
There isn't a great deal of Islam left after that, is there?

I am amused by the idea that humans evolved and at the same time were made of mud. I doubt we'll get any kind of coherent explanation of how these can both be true. Perhaps this is one of the 'details' heydarian claimed were wrong in Darwin's original theory.

 

[IanS]

4- We do not have in the Qur'an that man evolved from ape. From the Qur'anic point of view, human evolution is in 4 stages. And it is the special opinion of the Qur'an. Which I will fully explain to you in my article.

Whether or not the Koran confirms that Man evolved from Apes, I am asking YOU if you accept the whole of all established science which shows beyond all credible doubt that Man certainly did evolve from earlier apes … are you disputing all of published evolutionary science?

If YOU (or your Koran) dispute that Man evolved from earlier apes (Man/homo-sapiens IS an Ape by the way! … You are an Ape!) then you must show where you have published your discovery in a genuine science research journal … because so far, since the time of Darwin, probably around 250,000 such papers have been published and all of them agree, and indeed show, that Man (i.e. modern-form Homo-sapiens) definitely did evolve from earlier apes around 250,000 years ago …

… So … in which real science journal did you publish your research showing that all of science is wrong?

If you have never published any such paper, then your claim is 100% dead-in-the-water … if you cannot get your claim published then your claim is outright rejected as not fit for belief by educated people.

5- We accept the age of the earth. But human evolution began when matter came into being. That is, the logic of the Qur'an is that: The evolution of man and all living beings began from the time of the "Planck range". That is, long before the creation and life of the earth.
It may be very hard for you to believe this. But this is the logic of the Qur'an and us. Since the creation of matter, God has been planning all the needs of living things. And evolution begins. Read my article.

Depending what you mean by “matter”, that actualy came into being at the instant of the Big Bang 13.8billion years ago, which is about 9 billion years before the planet Earth even existed!

If by “matter” you mean things like atoms and molecules and interstellar dust etc., then again those things had formed before the Earth even formed!

So how could fully formed Humans have evolved into existence on Earth before the Earth even existed?

You do not need to answer that last question, because the answer is that your claim is 100% uneducated nonsense.

Though even if you don't like me making that last remark, then it's also the case that all of science has shown with what are now literally millions of research papers that Humans did not even exist at all for at least the first 4 billion years of planet Earth's existence … so unless you can publish a real paper in a real science journal showing how all of science is wrong, then I am afraid it is unarguably YOU who is wrong!

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

You are not careful !! I have said to you and other friends many times: Hell and the torments of hell are just parables. In order for human beings not to approach sin. It is just a metaphor. Hell is singularity. The universe is back to this point. We all experience it. Why aren't you careful man? What are you worried about? It is the destiny of the universe to return to singularity.
You bother in vain. Rest.

Here we go again. How do you know what is a parable to be taken as amusing advice or a story for children or the Revealed Word of God true for All Time Ever?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Your worries are useless. There is no hell. As you think. I will see you in singularity. be patient.
This is the logic of the Qur'an. And in vain to nail the door and the wall. And you hurt yourself. Enough man. Take care of your health.

So are you claiming there is no hell?

 

[abaddon]

Indeed.
This would then mean that there were no punishments for unbelievers, because they're just parables and metaphors too.
It would also mean there is no heaven/paradise either- this, and the supposed rewards, all the virgins and green fields and whatnot, are metaphors as well.
Heydarian has also said angels don't exist. Not sure about Djinn, though. Probably a metaphor too.
Furthermore, he says that Quran can be selectively reinterpreted to mean whatever he wants it to mean.
There isn't a great deal of Islam left after that, is there?

I am amused by the idea that humans evolved and at the same time were made of mud. I doubt we'll get any kind of coherent explanation of how these can both be true. Perhaps this is one of the 'details' heydarian claimed were wrong in Darwin's original theory.

Well, I find this somewhat uncomfortable. Heydarian lives in a place where his neighbours would happily kill him for heresy. Courageous or foolhardy? I have no idea. If VAJA ever view this thread he is toast.

Or perhaps he lied about his location. Who knows?

 

[psionl0]

It might have been because you actually wrote, “The abiogenesis theory”.

But what abaddon actually posted was ‘There is no "theory of abiogenesis".’

Po-TAY-to Po-TAH-to.

 

[abaddon]

Po-TAY-to Po-TAH-to.

Yeah gravity is not real. After all it is just a theory, right?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Read more (2114):
Darwin's evolution and the principles of that theory:
Since similar verses in the creation of man have dealt with the generalities of their evolution according to the Qur'an. And one thousand two hundred years before the official announcement of Darwin's theory was introduced in the Qur'an. It is necessary to first get acquainted with the view of the Qur'an from the point of view of modern science. I do not intend to compare the Qur'an with Darwin.

Because the Qur'an has its own view on evolution. And if some principles of Darwinian evolution correspond to the Qur'an. Confirmation of Darwin's theory. Because the Qur'an stated it 1400 years ago. And reverse comparisons do not make sense.
The Qur'an categorically rejects the theory of "fixism". And we consider that theory obsolete. And my discussion is more about the impact of superstitions on the minds of translators and the inaccuracy of translations and interpretations. Which I quote from similar verses.
Darwin's theory is based on the principles of species adaptation in the process of evolution (species evolution), survival conflict, natural selection. Which added heredity and evolutionary mutation. Darwin traces the area to about 450 million years ago, beginning with the Bone owners Age. Has checked.
And made the possibility of analyzing fossils the basis of his theory. After Darwin, biologists based their findings on Darwin's evolutionary principles in the later periods of life.
And Darwin was the first to use this method.
The Qur'an is the Genesis of "Life" dates back to about 3 billion years ago. Since the creation of "water" which is the main source of life. It then examines the stages of earth formation and preparation for life. The history of the earth and living things after the creation of the earth can be searched in the earth.
Thus, Darwin's theory differs from that of the Qur'an by two and a half billion years. And this time is not in Darwin's theory. Therefore, there is a time vacuum.
This time frame is related to the scientific course of evolution. And there are big flaws in Darwin's theory. Which he has not dealt with. Our commentators on the Qur'an consider the Problems form of Darwin's theory to be disregard for human dignity. And discuss human evolution from apes. No. This is not a big drawback to Darwin's theory.
Rather, Darwin's Problem form is a scientific vacuum evolving over a period of 2.5 billion years. He has not said anything about it. The Qur'an fills this gap scientifically very accurately. And explains. Please read on.
If you remember, I said earlier in the messages of the first article in this group: We have many verses in the Qur'an about human evolution. And "Adam" came into being from a generation before himself. But I did not go into details. In this article, I will try to give you a more complete explanation of the Qur'an in this regard.In verse 20 of Sura 29, the Qur'an instructs the believers to" travel and explore the earth. How God started the creation? (life). "
And Darwin obeyed God. Of course, he replaced the "role of God" with the "choice of nature."
While in the Qur'an we have many verses that follow and study this issue.
See verse 19 of Sura 29.
Meaning: "Do you not see how God created life? And then recreates it. This is easy for God."
The transformations of life in the present are based on the pattern of creation that was laid from the beginning and is now the re-creation of creation. And all stages of the creation of life from the first single cell to human evolution are simulated.
The word " coming back" is a return to the previous pattern. There is no new creation. It is just a re-creation. He goes on to say.
Meaning: " Tell (God's emphasis on believers) to travel on earth. And see (the scientific journey of inquiry) how did creation begin? The last stage of the creation of man (human evolution and the emergence of man) brings out the evolution of the previous stages. And God has power over all things."
The above two verses refer to the principle of evolution. Which started from the beginning and ended in the last stage. And emphasizing that life after the last stage is no longer creation. And recreation is creation. Based on which view we look at the verses. We can change the meaning of the words of the verses in favor of our own mental imaginations. And this approach is wrong.
For example, "end" means "other". The end is the end, that is, the end. The way we have done so far to reconcile similar verses with the views of the past. In these two verses, we have meant the words of the last stage as the next stage and the return to the resurrection.
The meaning of creation and evolution of two key words that change as the meaning of the verses changes. Evolution has different stages. And the final stage of evolution, as the Qur'an says, is the stage of final evolution. I will prove this in the following verses.
Previously, the subject of human creation was not the creation of a moment. And has resulted from the previous generation. There are many verses in this regard. But I have chosen these two verses.
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[heydarian saeed]

... The advent of Adam is one of the highlights of the Qur'an.
Verse 33 of Sura 3 - Meaning: God chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imran over the worlds. They were all descendants of one another. "Therefore man is descended from the generation before him."
Rather, "Adam" came from the previous generation. And it is a more evolved stage than the previous stage. It does not occur independently and instantly. We do not pay enough attention to the words of the Qur'an and its meaning.
It cannot be justified that Adam was chosen from the next generation. So man was not created in an instant. Look at the next verse. Verse 133 of Surah 6 - Meaning: "Your Lord is needless and has double mercy. If He wills, He can take you and replace you with the next people. "
This is evolution in a generation. Inherited traits are passed on to the next generation due to evolution.
All human beings were created from sperm. "So man was created from sperm. The first sperm of life was also created from clay. And it has nothing to do with male water." There is no verse in the Qur'an that says: Man (human beings) were created from sperm after Adam. Says from the previous generation.
Verse 30 of Sura 2 - The meaning: “ And when God addressed the angels. I want to make Adam the successor on earth.” The successor is the successor of the previous generation. Not the successor of God." From the meaning of the above verse, it is inferred that the successor The previous generation.
The meaning of the verse is that I will take you if I want. And I will bring you a replacement. The previous generation is removed. When we say that man is God's substitute on earth, we mean that God is nothing. And in his place Adam is the substitute of God. This is the wrong meaning and interpretation. God does not need a replacement. "Adam" replaces his previous generation.
God says, "I am closer to you than your jugular vein."
Therefore, the presence of God in the life of the earth is always continuous. And God does not need a successor. Let us meditate on the verses to clear our minds of the obsolete views of the past. Now the most important verse of the Qur'an in the evolution of beings that he wrote on his head is sad. And we have been repeating the opinions of the past for a thousand years.
And scientists have forced science in a way to extract scientific miracles from these verses. And place the Human sperm hanging on the ceiling of the uterus. Verses 12 to 14 of Sura 23. We have taken the evolution of human evolution in nature into the womb. And we call the evolution and growth of the fetus creation in creation. And this is wrong. The correct approach is:
Verses 12 to 14 of Sura 23 say: Meaning:
"Indeed, We created man from clay, We turned the chewed meat into bone (created cartilage into bone) and covered the bone with muscle, and then completed the last step, which is human.
Does the fetus in the womb go through all these stages of creation? Or the fetus continues to grow according to the genome software. Sperm came out of rock and clay about three billion years ago.
But we took it and put it in a woman's womb! And we told stories. And we replaced each generation of the previous generation with "another creation." This is the opinion of the past. Who had no science. And only man's water was known as sperm. And the fixed place of human creation was also known as the womb of a woman. This is the wrong meaning and interpretation. Our current thinking is based on the same interpretations of antiquity. And this is wrong. Now let's see what is the reality of this issue? And what does the Qur'an say? And what is the logic of the Qur'an in this regard? And our perception was wrong.
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[Scorpion]

Heydarian, I ain't reading all that trash because it is just you opinion, and nothing to do with mainstream Islam. In fact you claim God and the prophet are behind you, and that would be regarded as blasphemy by most Muslims.

 

[Pixel42]

Darwin's theory is based on the principles of species adaptation in the process of evolution (species evolution), survival conflict, natural selection. Which added heredity and evolutionary mutation. Darwin traces the area to about 450 million years ago, beginning with the Bone owners Age. Has checked.
And made the possibility of analyzing fossils the basis of his theory. After Darwin, biologists based their findings on Darwin's evolutionary principles in the later periods of life.
And Darwin was the first to use this method.
The Qur'an is the Genesis of "Life" dates back to about 3 billion years ago. Since the creation of "water" which is the main source of life. It then examines the stages of earth formation and preparation for life. The history of the earth and living things after the creation of the earth can be searched in the earth.
Thus, Darwin's theory differs from that of the Qur'an by two and a half billion years. And this time is not in Darwin's theory. Therefore, there is a time vacuum.

This is utter nonsense, heydarian. You have the scientific understanding of the evolution of life, and its timescale, completely wrong. Water formed on earth soon after its formation nearly 4.5 billion years ago, and single celled life had formed by 4 billion years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_evolutionary_history_of_life

 

[abaddon]

Read more (2114):
Darwin's evolution and the principles of that theory:
Since similar verses in the creation of man have dealt with the generalities of their evolution according to the Qur'an. And one thousand two hundred years before the official announcement of Darwin's theory was introduced in the Qur'an. It is necessary to first get acquainted with the view of the Qur'an from the point of view of modern science. I do not intend to compare the Qur'an with Darwin.

Because the Qur'an has its own view on evolution. And if some principles of Darwinian evolution correspond to the Qur'an. Confirmation of Darwin's theory. Because the Qur'an stated it 1400 years ago. And reverse comparisons do not make sense.
The Qur'an categorically rejects the theory of "fixism". And we consider that theory obsolete. And my discussion is more about the impact of superstitions on the minds of translators and the inaccuracy of translations and interpretations. Which I quote from similar verses.
Darwin's theory is based on the principles of species adaptation in the process of evolution (species evolution), survival conflict, natural selection. Which added heredity and evolutionary mutation. Darwin traces the area to about 450 million years ago, beginning with the Bone owners Age. Has checked.
And made the possibility of analyzing fossils the basis of his theory. After Darwin, biologists based their findings on Darwin's evolutionary principles in the later periods of life.
And Darwin was the first to use this method.
The Qur'an is the Genesis of "Life" dates back to about 3 billion years ago. Since the creation of "water" which is the main source of life. It then examines the stages of earth formation and preparation for life. The history of the earth and living things after the creation of the earth can be searched in the earth.
Thus, Darwin's theory differs from that of the Qur'an by two and a half billion years. And this time is not in Darwin's theory. Therefore, there is a time vacuum.
This time frame is related to the scientific course of evolution. And there are big flaws in Darwin's theory. Which he has not dealt with. Our commentators on the Qur'an consider the Problems form of Darwin's theory to be disregard for human dignity. And discuss human evolution from apes. No. This is not a big drawback to Darwin's theory.
Rather, Darwin's Problem form is a scientific vacuum evolving over a period of 2.5 billion years. He has not said anything about it. The Qur'an fills this gap scientifically very accurately. And explains. Please read on.
If you remember, I said earlier in the messages of the first article in this group: We have many verses in the Qur'an about human evolution. And "Adam" came into being from a generation before himself. But I did not go into details. In this article, I will try to give you a more complete explanation of the Qur'an in this regard.In verse 20 of Sura 29, the Qur'an instructs the believers to" travel and explore the earth. How God started the creation? (life). "
And Darwin obeyed God. Of course, he replaced the "role of God" with the "choice of nature."
While in the Qur'an we have many verses that follow and study this issue.
See verse 19 of Sura 29.
Meaning: "Do you not see how God created life? And then recreates it. This is easy for God."
The transformations of life in the present are based on the pattern of creation that was laid from the beginning and is now the re-creation of creation. And all stages of the creation of life from the first single cell to human evolution are simulated.
The word " coming back" is a return to the previous pattern. There is no new creation. It is just a re-creation. He goes on to say.
Meaning: " Tell (God's emphasis on believers) to travel on earth. And see (the scientific journey of inquiry) how did creation begin? The last stage of the creation of man (human evolution and the emergence of man) brings out the evolution of the previous stages. And God has power over all things."
The above two verses refer to the principle of evolution. Which started from the beginning and ended in the last stage. And emphasizing that life after the last stage is no longer creation. And recreation is creation. Based on which view we look at the verses. We can change the meaning of the words of the verses in favor of our own mental imaginations. And this approach is wrong.
For example, "end" means "other". The end is the end, that is, the end. The way we have done so far to reconcile similar verses with the views of the past. In these two verses, we have meant the words of the last stage as the next stage and the return to the resurrection.
The meaning of creation and evolution of two key words that change as the meaning of the verses changes. Evolution has different stages. And the final stage of evolution, as the Qur'an says, is the stage of final evolution. I will prove this in the following verses.
Previously, the subject of human creation was not the creation of a moment. And has resulted from the previous generation. There are many verses in this regard. But I have chosen these two verses.
...

So let me get this straight. You are flat out stating that you do not understand Darwin, evolution, science, the quran, islam, allah, how a discussion actually works or anything much.

That is the most plausible of your claims

 

[heydarian saeed]

... By what process was the earliest origin of life on earth performed?
The beginning of human creation is the creation of clay. In modern parlance, the foundation of human creation is laid. According to verses 9 and 10 of Sura 41, on the " According to the Arabic language: Rawasi " or solid crust of the earth is newly formed and is cooling. Human creation begins with clay or aluminum silicate rock. This process takes a long time. In other words, clay must be created first. At the same time, the necessary chemical reactions must take place next to this stone. The temperature is very high and about 2000 to 2500 degrees.
And a solid crust has not yet formed and the environment is a molten mixture of water vapor, methane gas, ammonia and abundant carbohydrates (combination of carbon with hydrogen) and other compounds.
All in a compact and homogeneous environment with abundant hydrogen gas. Hydrogen gas plays a role in the environment and does not allow oxygen and carbon dioxide to form. Iron, nickel, and heavy metals deposit in the center of the earth, and light minerals such as aluminum silicates, pyrites, and other compounds move to the earth's crust, and melt to melt as the outer layer cools. They form the solid crust of the earth.
The earth does not yet have an atmosphere. High molecules of carbohydrates, ammonia gas, methane phosphates and sulfurs.
Amino acids are proteins, peptides, nucleotides and others

Amino acids and phosphates need oxygen.
And all the oxygen available with hydrogen, with which it has a very strong affinity, is converted to water vapor. In addition, carbon has this miraculous element and is the main building block of living things with itself and more hydrogen than other composite elements. Minerals (factors H and OH) are responsible for providing oxygen to amino acids, sugars, phosphates, and others, and play a key role in the process of human creation. This is a matter that has been created after creating the right mud for life.
The beginning of human creation is with pure mud. Which lasts for several hundred million years.
The pure mud in this verse is pure clay, which when heated and turns into pottery. Which corresponds to the period of creation of biological food required by life on the solid crust of the earth according to verse 10 of Sura 41. And it corresponds exactly to this verse.
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[heydarian saeed]

...What are the pure and selected mud compositions?
In the previous period, the formation of pure mud provided the basic constituents of the basic molecules of life. Carbohydrates must be converted to amino acids, and amino acids must be converted to both proteins and proteins, from simple molecules to polymer molecules. Which is a basic molecule of the gene in addition to phosphides must also be converted to phosphates. Organic molecules are created as mentioned above. They are converted from monomer to poly.
Primary basic macromolecules are formed and are constantly deposited on the hot rock (or inside its inner layer) by hot water due to the high temperature of the boiling point of water as sediment and by evaporation of water created from monomers to polymers. And the sticky black substance of old Hama has melted on the clay which the Qur'an has called Salsal Kalfkhar. Leave. They are stacked on top of each other. Clay has a special property that can absorb, form and precipitate these reactions between its layers.
These sediments contain the chemical raw materials of the basic structure of human creation, and the Salsal Kalfkhar only acts as a catalyst.
Explain to us the process of creating inanimate living matter in clay and Azma. Hama Masnoon and Salsal in the Qur'an is the foundation of life on earth. In fact, we created man from dynasty and clay. All of this is happening on the Earth's solid crust. These reactions are now taking place in living organisms to make genes inside the nucleus, and countless enzymes are involved in this structure that act as catalysts.
I must say that in this article I found it necessary to: bring some Quranic words because of the special meaning of that Original word. Like Salsal Kalfkhar - Hama Masnoon- Rawasee. You can refer to the Arabic encyclopedia for a more complete meaning of these words.
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[heydarian saeed]

So let me get this straight. You are flat out stating that you do not understand Darwin, evolution, science, the quran, islam, allah, how a discussion actually works or anything much.

That is the most plausible of your claims

Hello. Unfortunately, you judge too soon. First, the article is not over yet. Secondly, you did not read this part of the article correctly. And you did not understand the content. I'm sorry. Let time pass better. That means do not take our time.

 

[IanS]

Read more (2114):
Darwin's evolution and the principles of that theory:
Since similar verses in the creation of man have dealt with the generalities of their evolution according to the Qur'an. And one thousand two hundred years before the official announcement of Darwin's theory was introduced in the Qur'an.

Etc etc etc on & On & on ...snipped out there as it's just yet another attempted mass diversion in order to decieve

... The advent of Adam is one of the highlights of the Qur'an.
Verse 33 of Sura 3 - Meaning: God chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imran over the worlds. They were all descendants of one another. "Therefore man is descended from the generation before him."
Rather, "Adam" came from the previous generation. And it is a more evolved stage than the previous stage. It does not occur independently and instantly.

Etc etc etc on & On & on ...snipped out there as it's just another attempted mass diversion for the purpose of deception.

I asked you 2 simple questions to which your only possible answers were either Yes or No.

But instead of honestly answering Yes or No, you again reply with huge masses of sentences that you claim to have interpreted/invented from the actual real sentences in the Koran.

I long ago stopped reading your mass pages of religious preaching like that.

OK, so the fact of the matter is that you dispute and reject the science that shows how Man evolved from earlier apes. That's hundreds of thousands of papers showing that evolution, and not a single paper against that.

You have not, and you cannot, publish your claims against human evolution because no real science journal will accept your claims where you have not one micron of honest genuine evidence.

That is the end of the road here. You have no honest evidence with which to oppose published science. And until you can publish such evidence then your claims have no honest credibility at all, Zero, Nothing.

That's the end of matter … you have nothing at all to support your claims against science & human evolution.