Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial

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But for a felony, that standard is loosened a bit. It is just reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. Guy standing outside a convince store. Hears shots. Looks in. Cashier dead. Guy running out. He wasn't present and didn't have immediate knowledge, but obviously that is the guy that just shot the clerk. So he can tackle him and hold him until police come.
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Seems like that illustrates a basic problem with the law. Suppose the killer ran out the back door, and the guy you jumped on was just a customer running from the gunfire. And suppose he fights back, thinking you're the gunman's accomplice. If the citizen making his "arrest" -- maybe forcibly -- didn't actually observe a crime, he can't really be sure what happened.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Where one of our Swedes to call us barbarians because in their country murders only get 3 days in a luxury hotel?
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I could go on about how the felony murder doctrine is a bunch of garbage if that will help.

Less flippantly and more actually on topic, my main concern now is the DA and other people who sat on the original incident. They need to see hard time.
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For what though? Absent some really extraordinary set of facts that would amount to being an accessory after the fact and not just a questionable use of discretion there is nothing there. Pressuring prosecutors to be more draconian in general will have an number of terrible unforeseen consequences.
Real talk. Long term we need more oversight on small town police forces and court systems.
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There is plenty of oversight. The problem is that when you have police oversee police they are still police. The idea that the feds can be trusted to be the adults in the room took a really rough hit in the last five years.

Ultimately it becomes a political question. We can talk voting rights and the way law enforcement is structured in a way to avoid political responsibility. Also how with the death of local journalism and the corporate takeover of journalism in general a lot of this goes on in the dark. A lot less cop worship would go on if there were more exposure about what they actually do and the effects it has.



We still need to remember that all of this only happened because one video went got out. Had Roddie had two more brain cells this entire incident would never have gotten out.
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Crimes are going to be hard to prove under the system we have. As a result bad people get away with doing bad things.

The case to be made for the Scandinavian model of treating prisoners is that it allows for things like lower standards of proof and compelling defendant testimony without making the system a nightmare. As it is we have draconian punishments but make up for that by having a standard of proof such that the state is rarely going to be able to convict anyone without bending/breaking/finding exceptions to the rules or applying pressure (via threatening more draconian punishments) to get a plea bargain.
 
Looks like Roddie can't catch a break! GoFundMe has shut down his fundraiser for an appeal. Which I'm in full support of, personally. Per their rules they do not allow a GoFundMe for legal defenses of violent crimes. Which I would say felony murder would fit.

His lawyer, in a continued effort to be a dim witted jack ass, had this to say:

“The right to counsel, a guarantee enshrined in our Constitution, means little if ordinary people like Roddie Bryan cannot raise funds for their own defense -- and that includes the right to raise funds for an appeal. The cancellation of legitimate online efforts to raise funds for Roddie Bryan is simply the latest manifestation of a woke left mob mentality that relentlessly seeks to undermine the institutions of our government.”
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It's all the woke left mob! I'm sure he's in support of it on Roddie's behalf due to his overwhelming concern for Roddie. Definitely not because he wants to make sure he keeps getting paid. The GoFundMe had raised $700 when it was shut down.
 
plague311 said:
Looks like Roddie can't catch a break! GoFundMe has shut down his fundraiser for an appeal. Which I'm in full support of, personally. Per their rules they do not allow a GoFundMe for legal defenses of violent crimes. Which I would say felony murder would fit.

His lawyer, in a continued effort to be a dim witted jack ass, had this to say:



It's all the woke left mob! I'm sure he's in support of it on Roddie's behalf due to his overwhelming concern for Roddie. Definitely not because he wants to make sure he keeps getting paid. The GoFundMe had raised $700 when it was shut down.
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Perhaps he could invest the available funds in a company that make cel phones without video recording abilities?
 
Thermal said:
Perhaps he could invest the available funds in a company that make cel phones without video recording abilities?
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Or one with a delete option?

ZirconBlue said:
I think I would like to join the Woke Left Mob. Are torches and pitchforks provided, or or do I need to bring my own?
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You'll have to submit your request in writing to George Soros. After that it's just like Robin Hood: Men in Tights. You walk through the line, get your torch, pitchfork and pantyhose. We obviously wear pantyhose as the soybois we are.
 
Woke Left Mobs don't use torches, not carbon friendly. You'll be issued an LED baton or perhaps a glow stick.
 
plague311 said:
Looks like Roddie can't catch a break! GoFundMe has shut down his fundraiser for an appeal. Which I'm in full support of, personally. Per their rules they do not allow a GoFundMe for legal defenses of violent crimes. Which I would say felony murder would fit.

His lawyer, in a continued effort to be a dim witted jack ass, had this to say:



It's all the woke left mob! I'm sure he's in support of it on Roddie's behalf due to his overwhelming concern for Roddie. Definitely not because he wants to make sure he keeps getting paid. The GoFundMe had raised $700 when it was shut down.
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I mean, I have a bit of a beef with restricting legal defense funds based on the nature of the accusation seeing the whole point of a legal defense fund is to contest the allegations. However, it's an understandable policy.

The lawyer dressing it up as some sort of far reaching constitutional issue is clownish. Especially seeing the guy is guaranteed a lawyer and based on what he wrote there it's almost a lock that the guy would be in better hands with a public defender. Especially if the pd has an appellate specific division.
 
I mean isn't that always what we get told when white people kill black people? The whole "LOL sad and all but can't risk breaking the system by doing anything in response to it" thing?

White evil always gets to appeal to some broader concept that punishing them for would put at risk, concerns which are never there when black people do something wrong.
 
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Suddenly said:
I mean, I have a bit of a beef with restricting legal defense funds based on the nature of the accusation seeing the whole point of a legal defense fund is to contest the allegations. However, it's an understandable policy.
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Maybe I'm not understanding this but he is still able to raise funds. He just can't do it through GoFundMe. I don't really see that as restricting legal defense funds. Like I said, perhaps I'm not parsing what you're saying correctly.

Suddenly said:
The lawyer dressing it up as some sort of far reaching constitutional issue is clownish. Especially seeing the guy is guaranteed a lawyer and based on what he wrote there it's almost a lock that the guy would be in better hands with a public defender. Especially if the pd has an appellate specific division.
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Roddie's attorney was a grade a dumbass.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I mean isn't that always what we get told when white people kill black people? The whole "LOL sad and all but can't risk breaking the system by doing anything in response to it" thing?

White evil always gets to appeal to some broader concept that punishing them for would put at risk, concerns which are never there when black people do something wrong.
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Sure. Just look at how when white people commit an atrocity the public discourse looks at mental illness and soul searches about why people do things and when a Black person does it the discourse goes more in the dehumanizing scary monster territory. It is another example of the "in vs. other" that is the core of conservativism.

It is just that, as in this thread, a lot of the cheerleading done for these ofay fools getting what they deserve and pining for worse makes me uneasy because I'm always going to be wary of the carceral state. Not out of sympathy for these fools but because in the larger picture I'm more worried about how selective harsh treatment of whitey mchugepickuptruck can serve as a sort of justification for the everyday atrocities against the disadvantaged.
 
plague311 said:
Maybe I'm not understanding this but he is still able to raise funds. He just can't do it through GoFundMe. I don't really see that as restricting legal defense funds. Like I said, perhaps I'm not parsing what you're saying correctly.
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That site is being reasonable in a global sense and can do as they please but I have a particular axe to grind with those that treat legal accusations as conclusions based on how scary those accusations are.

I mean, nobody is staying up nights worrying about these guys, but I think in terms of the parents of some poor Black kid who is being wrongfully accused of some violent crime and the policy seems less just.
Roddie's attorney was a grade a dumbass.
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Most lawyers are. It is amazing what one can get away with if they have a nice suit, an aura of gravitas, and no compunctions about gaslighting the ******* out of people.

If his goal is recruiting local chud clients because "he's not afraid to take on the woke leftist mob" or somesuch he's taking a reasonable line.
 
Suddenly said:
That site is being reasonable in a global sense and can do as they please but I have a particular axe to grind with those that treat legal accusations as conclusions based on how scary those accusations are.

I mean, nobody is staying up nights worrying about these guys, but I think in terms of the parents of some poor Black kid who is being wrongfully accused of some violent crime and the policy seems less just.
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Ok, I guess that's what I was thinking you were saying. I don't personally agree, but I'll more or less leave it at that.

Suddenly said:
Most lawyers are. It is amazing what one can get away with if they have a nice suit, an aura of gravitas, and no compunctions about gaslighting the ******* out of people.

If his goal is recruiting local chud clients because "he's not afraid to take on the woke leftist mob" or somesuch he's taking a reasonable line.
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Be easier to take a reasonable line if you won lol. I wouldn't be prone to taking a lawyer that lost just because he talks nice and looks upscale, but as you said, chud clients aren't all that bright.
 
Shadowdweller said:
I can't help but wonder if maybe he thinks appearing to be enough of a bigot or belittling his client enough will provide grounds for appeal.
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All three of their lawyers sucked. The crosses of the two GBI agents were atrocious and the direct of Travis was nothing short of negligent. They were so bad that I have to wonder if there isn't a thought of inadequate representation as a grounds for an appeal. Their case still sucks but maybe the idea is to get a new trial and hope for better luck on jury selection.

When I worked for INS (before Homeland Security) I got crossed by some mindless incompetents. There are great lawyers who work in immigration law (which I will caveat by saying immigration law is administrative law and the rules of procedure and evidence are very different from criminal law) but the practice also attracts some complete bottom feeders. The cross of the GBI agents was atrocious. The worst $50 an hour immigration lawyer with an office in the Seattle Warehouse district would have done better.
 
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I don't think the Judge has much more patience with Roddie's team's continuing "I mean he just drove the truck that was running him down, I don't get why he's getting lumped in with the murderers!" arguments.
 
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