The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Well Heydarian?

Hi. I miss you. Where is the good man. I really liked this nonsense. OK.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Hello. You have said interesting things. I liked some of them. I just have one question: How do you define honesty? What is the procedure for honest discussion? Tell me. I look forward to hearing from you. I have left my latest photo for you in the group. Isn't this the best reason for my honesty and courage? And I'm willing to have a logical discussion with all of you. You have all formed a cohesive group. And you support each other. And I am the only one and I will answer all your questions honestly with only one book called Quran. And I stand like a mountain. And I will not give up at all.
Who do you think is the intellectual? Is there anyone who has a critical view, that is, the intellectual first protests against the status quo and at the same time tries to replace what he considers a "desirable status"? Or is it someone who consumes nothing but intellectual and moral goods imported from the West or the East? No. I act independently. And my leader is the Quran. The Qur'an says: Listen to everyone. And choose the best word. And apply. This is my intellectual slogan. I check on every subject. It does not matter to me whether it is western or eastern. From any nation. From any country. Of any religion. From any theory. And I accept the best from them. I have said it before. I am a follower of Cyrus the Great from the land of Persia.
I am Muslim. But a free Muslim. I do not belong to any group. Do not worry. In Islam, friendship with infidels is forbidden. But I also embrace the infidels. Not for a point. No. But only for humanity. I was in the desert of Mina and in the tragic incident of Mena in Saudi Arabia in 2015. I saved at least 50 people of different nationalities from certain death by CPR. They were present from every country. I helped all this with all my strength.

Where and why?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Hi. Ramadan is a lunar month. Because the months of Islam are lunar. And in terms of the frequency of the year is different from the Gregorian and solar months in Iran. Therefore, Ramadan may be in any season. And the length of the day varies in different seasons. That's the reason. I'm glad you said Ramadan. Happy month. I have a gift for you and everyone. Just one important point: remember Ramadan every year. And see in which season. The asteroid hit the earth and its occurrence is from the beginning to the end of the holy month of Ramadan. And it will be a big event. Remember this well

Yes, but a true god would have thought of this and not made it lunar.
Or at least explained in his book of books about polar circles.
Yet, it didn't
Which makes sense as the writers of the Quran did not know about the phenomenon.

 

[Scorpion]

Following the message of messages 1666 and 1667, I investigated the cause of the torment of the servants. Your article in message 1655 shows that you know the cause of the torment of the servants and its nature. But you know the anti-mercy of God. And you believe that God should not punish anyone. You also believe that spirits go to the middle world (purgatory) after death..
And stay there for a while. Then they return to the world in the form of another body. And this sweep occurs many times for ghosts. Until the spirits are cleansed. And evolve. And prepare the beautiful world of heaven. And all will live in paradise forever. In fact, all spirits come from one soul. That is the spirit of God. And they do not deserve to be tormented. Is my view of your theory correct?.

Yes, you have roughly grasped my beliefs. Now bear in mind my beliefs come from the mouths of spirit guides, talking through trance mediums which I have listened to in my own lifetime. Not from a 1400 year old book, like your views.

 

[Scorpion]

1651 .... The priest replied that it was written in the book of Moses that soon our God would send us the coming Messiah to inform us of what God wanted. And he will bring God's mercy to the world, so I hope you will tell the truth. Are you the Messiah of God that we are waiting for? Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, This is the promise which God hath promised: but I am not he, because he was created before me, and he that shall come after me ...(The Gospel of Barnabas, translated by Haidar Qolikhan Ghezelbash, Sardar Kaboli, Book Publishing Office, Spring '62, Chapter Ninety-Six, verses 403 and 5.)
In the following verses, until the end of chapter ninety-six, Jesus is saddened to be called God and the Son of God after him. And the priest and governor of Rome and King Herod try to comfort Jesus (pbuh) to which he replies: "But my consolation is the coming of a prophet who will destroy all false beliefs about me. And his religion will extend and cover the whole world. Because God promised this to our father Abraham. "What comforts me is that his religion has no end because God will keep him right." The priest asked if the prophets would come after him. Jesus answered, "The prophets will not come after him."
The priest then asked what it was called and what was the sign announcing his coming. The Imam replied: "Indeed, his blessed name is Muhammad. At that time, the people raised their voices and said, "O God, send us your prophet." "O Muhammad, come soon to save the world." (The Gospel of Barnabas, the same verses 5, 6, 7, 8 and chapter ninety-seven verses, 14, 18, 19.)
Of course, the answer above was a brief mention of the name of Muhammad PBUH in the Bible.

The gospel of Barnabas is considered fiction and is not from the bible.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_and_the_Bible

 

[Lothian]

I will answer all your questions honestly with only one book called Quran.

Two questions. No interpretations. Simply provide answers only quoting the Quran.

List all the fundamental particles.

What are the components of blood and their functions?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Hi. I miss you. Where is the good man. I really liked this nonsense. OK.

Answer my questions and deal with my points. Stop deflecting, stop spamming wall'o'texts and stop preaching.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Where and why?

Repeatedly (as I actually listed a while back) and mostly because they could convince a Muslim to stop believing. Non believers are evil.

Heydarian why do you support a book which condemns the majority of the world as evil based upon their belief about whether that book is correct and not upon their actions or their beliefs about how others should be treated?

Quite honestly I think that the Quran is (for want of a better word) evil, just like the Bible.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Repeatedly (as I actually listed a while back) and mostly because they could convince a Muslim to stop believing. Non believers are evil.

Heydarian why do you support a book which condemns the majority of the world as evil based upon their belief about whether that book is correct and not upon their actions or their beliefs about how others should be treated?

Quite honestly I think that the Quran is (for want of a better word) evil, just like the Bible.

The word I would use is "silly" but "evil" works too.

 

[Tassman]

Hi. Welcome to our discussion. NO. Did the great man you say make the sky?

Did a deity make the sky
All myths such as this were devised in a more primitive prescientific era as a way trying to make sense of the universe in the prescientific age. Modern scientific methodology is much better equipped to study of the origin and structure of the universe than ancient fables and legends.

Introduce us. To get to know him. And let us worship this great superman.

Why would one “worship” anyone - ‘divine’ or mortal? What sort of individual demands “worship” – a very insecure, narcissistic one obviously.

Your perception of God according to your material existence. And it is natural. But the truth is something else.

The “truth” is not material? Really. What is it then, ‘immaterial’ and how do you know this?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Where and why?

Hi. Because he denies God. Therefore, it is forbidden to be friends and have a relationship with an infidel. Of course, there is nothing wrong with reforming - learning science - learning technology and whatever is in the interest of the Islamic society. I am in touch with you for the sake of humanity and international relations. And I love this relationship. And it is not forbidden.
Also, my job and specialty is related to all human beings. And there are no restrictions. Like a specialist doctor who has the duty to treat every human being. I also have a duty to serve all human beings. And I'm proud.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Yes, but a true god would have thought of this and not made it lunar.
Or at least explained in his book of books about polar circles.
Yet, it didn't
Which makes sense as the writers of the Quran did not know about the phenomenon.

Hi. The author of the Quran is one. It is God. He has said everything. Of course, only Kelly said. He left the details for us humans. To discover. And find its science. And the subject you are raising was not known to any human being in the time of Muhammad. Therefore, there is no objection to the Qur'an and its author. I remind you that; Remember Ramadan every year.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Two questions. No interpretations. Simply provide answers only quoting the Quran.

List all the fundamental particles.

What are the components of blood and their functions?

Do you want me to answer these questions with the Quran?

 

[Lothian]

Do you want me to answer these questions with the Quran?

Yes. Just provide the passages in the Quran that give the answers. I don't want your interpretation of how the Quran answers the questions I just want to read the text myself.

 

[Mojo]

And the subject you are raising was not known to any human being in the time of Muhammad. Therefore, there is no objection to the Qur'an and its author.

But remember: your claim is that the Quran contains scientific information that was not known at the time it was written, and that this is evidence for “the supernatural”. Are you now abandoning this claim?

 

[Myriad]

Talking about science and the Quran, what does the Quran say about the behavior of water in cold temperatures? Many many people, in the time of Mohammed (PBUH) as well as today, lived in places where ice and snow are encountered in nature at least some of the time. What does the Prophet say about snow or ice falling from the sky, or the hard crust that can form on lakes and rivers, or about the white covering seen on the tops of tall mountains in most parts of the world?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Hi. Because he denies God. Therefore, it is forbidden to be friends and have a relationship with an infidel. Of course, there is nothing wrong with reforming - learning science - learning technology and whatever is in the interest of the Islamic society. I am in touch with you for the sake of humanity and international relations. And I love this relationship. And it is not forbidden.
Also, my job and specialty is related to all human beings. And there are no restrictions. Like a specialist doctor who has the duty to treat every human being. I also have a duty to serve all human beings. And I'm proud.

That's what you say you believe. Where is there evidence that this is based in reality?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Did a deity make the sky
All myths such as this were devised in a more primitive prescientific era as a way trying to make sense of the universe in the prescientific age. Modern scientific methodology is much better equipped to study of the origin and structure of the universe than ancient fables and legends.



Why would one “worship” anyone - ‘divine’ or mortal? What sort of individual demands “worship” – a very insecure, narcissistic one obviously.



The “truth” is not material? Really. What is it then, ‘immaterial’ and how do you know this?

Exactly. Modern scientific equipment and technology have advanced greatly. And it makes me proud. The scientific aspects of the Qur'an are not yet fully understood. And much of it is unknown to humanity.
Everything you know and we know in Islam exists in the universe. But he moves at the command of a commander in the name of God. The only thing that is unknown is the nature and attributes of God. Everything else in the universe interacts. We worship that one being in the name of God.

 

[Lothian]

Exactly. Modern scientific equipment and technology have advanced greatly. And it makes me proud.

Me too.

The scientific aspects of the Qur'an are not yet fully understood.

They are understood to be in line with the scientific knowledge at the time they were written.

And much of it is unknown to humanity.

It is understood although admittedly we are yet to see the full extent that people will bend and distort the original meanings in order to met their preaching objectives

Everything you know and we know in Islam exists in the universe. But he moves at the command of a commander in the name of God.

That is an opinion you have completely failed to convince anyone here that it it true

The only thing that is unknown is the nature and attributes of God.

The nature of your God is fully understood and does not differ from out understanding of Zeus, Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy.

Everything else in the universe interacts. We worship that one being in the name of God.

for a very small definition of 'we'. Looking at the membership here I guess well under 1%.

 

[Scorpion]

Why would one “worship” anyone - ‘divine’ or mortal? What sort of individual demands “worship” – a very insecure, narcissistic one obviously.

In the Quran there is a verse in which God speaks in the first person, and says " I created Jinn and humankind only that they might worship me"

Quran surah 51.56

I call that pathetic.