The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God.
Sri Ramakrishna

 

[Dr.Sid]

You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God.
Sri Ramakrishna

Well if you define God as something which we can't tell if it exists or not .. does it exist or not ?

 

[Pixel42]

As a general rule it tends to be the ignorant who persist in believing in superstition, and the well informed who discount it. So that quote has it the wrong way round.

How about:

You see many ghosts when it's dark, but the light of day banishes the shadows you mistook for ghosts. Can you therefore say there are ghosts during the night? O man because you find God in the nights of your ignorance, say not that there is a God.

Pixel42.

 

[heydarian saeed]

There is no need for every event to happen.
It must be scientifically proven to be believable to us.
Because some issues such as: the history of tribes, groups, kings, etc., which can not be proven except by writing and recording by the people present at that time.
And some other issues such as: miracles and extraordinary things, etc., which have the ability to be scientifically proven, but due to the limitation and imperfection of human science and the lack of sufficient growth and excellence of science have not yet been scientifically proven.
For example, we can refer to the soul, although we all agree that man has an invisible commander and ruler called the soul, which in modern science is called "personality" and "I". But in terms of experimental sciences (biology, medical physics, etc.) the principle of its existence has not been proven.
That is, none of the position, how it exists and its nature and how it functions has been proven. (Of course, in the intellectual and philosophical sciences, there are logical and strong reasons for the existence of the soul. And I told you in my article in the same group
Therefore, not proving something from the point of view of empirical sciences is not a reason for its non-existence or non-existence. Rather, it is the reason for its greatness and the insignificance of our knowledge as human beings against the phenomena of the universe.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Continue the discussion of matter and energy. Matter, according to its properties, cannot create itself from the beginning. And it has to be something separate from matter to make it. Of course, we fully accept the causal relationship. But the perfect cause cannot be matter.
It must first establish the complete cause of the raw material. Then be made according to the causal relationship of other materials and the world.
According to the principle of conservation of matter and energy (principle of equivalence), wherever matter is, energy is present in whatever form it is. What is the truth of energy that is necessarily contemporaneous with matter? Is it inherent in the body or not? In fact, energy is a form of matter.
Matter is a unique reality that manifests itself in various forms. The change in the internal state of atoms is due to the fact that some of the internal particles of the atom are destroyed. That is, they are converted into energy or re-created from energy density.
And finally, from scientific analyzes based on observations and experiments, it is concluded that there is nothing but a reality that occupies space and changes in time and takes various forms, and we call it the single reality. And we call the time variable matter.
We have not the slightest objection to the physical and biological theories of the atom and the energy of the molecule and the cell. On the general philosophical principles in the subject of matter and energy, we prove that: the single reality employed in space and variable in time, which in its essence has no multiplicity and multiplicity, can not create different manifestations of nature and change and evolve itself.
And she created this tangible system.

 

[heydarian saeed]

As a general rule it tends to be the ignorant who persist in believing in superstition, and the well informed who discount it. So that quote has it the wrong way round.

How about:

You see many ghosts when it's dark, but the light of day banishes the shadows you mistook for ghosts. Can you therefore say there are ghosts during the night? O man because you find God in the nights of your ignorance, say not that there is a God.

Pixel42.

It is the opposite. Of course, God is not visible. Because it is not made of matter and energy. It is better to say this: he can be understood at night. But in a much better and clearer day we can understand God. Because we humans see better in daylight.
The problem with our understanding is that we know God as our own. And we think that God, like us, is made of matter and energy. This is a very big mistake. And we make this mistake. I'm sorry.
I hope we think better. And to understand better. Not everything can be understood with science and experience. It is enough to have a bit of logic and intellect.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Well if you define God as something which we can't tell if it exists or not .. does it exist or not ?

Hi Professor. Yes, there is a God. I have proved the existence of God to all of you in many ways. Through science and experience, he proves the same way of "order" and "being constructive" of the universe. And different philosophical ways and logic and reason also prove the existence of God. And I told you all the ways. Please read and reason.

 

[Lothian]

Hi Professor. Yes, there is a God. I have proved the existence of God to all of you in many ways. Through science and experience, he proves the same way of "order" and "being constructive" of the universe. And different philosophical ways and logic and reason also prove the existence of God. And I told you all the ways. Please read and reason.

No you haven't proved the existence of God. Please re-read the thread and if you don't understand re read it again or ask a child to explain it to you. Please stop adding to your fallacies before correcting all the ones you have already littered throughout the thread.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God.
Sri Ramakrishna

When you close your eyes, everything disappears. Does this mean it's not there? Me.

Ghod, I love this game.

 

[Myriad]

Why should we have to perceive God indirectly and vaguely like stars in the daytime? Shouldn't the existence and concerns of an all-powerful deity directly concerned with the governance of the planet be obvious and ordinary? I talk to people all the time whose material atoms I've never once seen, but I know they exist and what they're like because they can communicate with me in the present. Why can't God communicate in the present? Why is God's ability to express and explain limited to the writings of ancient prophets?

If you have a girlfriend but she hasn't texted you in 1,389 years, do you really have a girlfriend?

 

[Pixel42]

we think that God, like us, is made of matter and energy. This is a very big mistake. And we make this mistake. I'm sorry.

No, "we" don't make this mistake. I've never known, or heard of, anyone who thought that God was made of matter and energy. In my experience people either think God is "outside" the universe of matter and energy, or they think there's no such thing as God.

I hope we think better. And to understand better.

Trying doing so, then. Start by educating yourself.

Not everything can be understood with science and experience.

A lot more can be understood with science and experience than with ignorance and superstition.

It is enough to have a bit of logic and intellect.

No, it really isn't. As you would know if you educated yourself.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Why should we have to perceive God indirectly and vaguely like stars in the daytime? Shouldn't the existence and concerns of an all-powerful deity directly concerned with the governance of the planet be obvious and ordinary? I talk to people all the time whose material atoms I've never once seen, but I know they exist and what they're like because they can communicate with me in the present. Why can't God communicate in the present? Why is God's ability to express and explain limited to the writings of ancient prophets?

I've asked this question probably a hundred times in various religious discussion and maybe 1% of the time I've got a mumbled "Mysterious Ways" excuse and 99% of the time I've gotten silence.

Why the act? Why the vagueness? Why the obtuseness? Why the whole "Jeez guys I told the illiterate goat herders a vague parable about what I wanted a few thousand years ago isn't that clear enough?" routine?

It's so bad there's an actual scene IN THE BIBLE where Jesus gets mad at his disciples for not understanding a parable and nobody thought to go "Well then just tell us what you want and stop being coy!"

So why? You're God. Why not just snap your fingers and make a clear, not parable filled, book clearly listing all the does and don'ts, yeses and noes, just magically appear on everyone's night stand in their preferred language complete with a glossary and 1-800 number to call with questions?

Why does God need his "message" to be so poorly delivered? Why does he need to deliver his message via prophets and messengers who all speak in riddles?

As I said in previous threads it would like me rehydrating a batch of Sea Monkeys, picking a few of them at random, telling them a vague parable in English about a one legged prostitute, a turkey baster, and left handed shortstop, putting them back in the tank, letting 50 generations go by and the one random day going back to the tank and telling them I'm going to dump all the water out of their tank and I'm only going to save those Sea Monkeys that had their entire lives 4 times a day faced the west side of their tank and told me how much they liked my haircut.

 

[Scorpion]

You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God.
Sri Ramakrishna

I see you stole my signature, but not my God. I consider the author of the
Quran to be a semi literate, monstrous, sadistic, ignoramus.

The God I believe in is within us all, and does not burn his children in eternal hellfire.

MY GOD IS BIGGER THAN YOUR GOD.

My God can beat Allah to a pulp.

If there was enough room in my signature I would add the following quote which I entirely support:

I cannot believe that there is any being in this universe who has created a human soul for eternal pain. I would rather that every god would destroy himself; I would rather that we all should go to eternal chaos, to black and starless night, than that just one soul should suffer eternal agony.
Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-99):

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Haven't seen this posted here for a long time. I know I have posted it in the past. Much overdue.

http://www.jhuger.com/kissing-hanks-ass

 

[malbui]

For example, we can refer to the soul, although we all agree that man has an invisible commander and ruler called the soul, which in modern science is called "personality" and "I".

I would politely suggest that we don’t all agree about the existence of the soul in the shape of an invisible commander. Although such a thing could be fun.

 

[IanS]

OK, so three times already I had to ask you the question below ... and this is now the 4th time with you refusing an answer ... so I will now answer it for you -- >

Heydarian - this is now the third time I have asked you to answer.

If you refuse to answer again this time, then I will give your own answer for you -

here is that questions again -


Heydarian – in many of your recent posts you have said that God will destroy those of us who do not believe in God and who oppose & criticise your religion. But do you think God will be right to destroy us? Do you think that will be a good thing to happen? …

… because after all, you do (I suppose?) believe God knows best and that he will always do what is right and correct … so would your God make a mistake and be wrong if he destroys us? … or do say that God is right and that we deserve to be killed?

Repeat – if you ignore that again, then I am going to give your answer for you.

--- you are actually here in this thread supporting the idea of religious mass murder. You are claiming that your God is perfect and always correct, where this is the God whose actions you support when telling us that he will slaughter the non-believers very soon …

… preaching beliefs and views like that just shows how lethally dangerous religious fanatics like you really are. And you are apparently raising your children to support those crazy idiotic horrible beliefs too.

 

[IanS]

Hi Professor. Yes, there is a God. I have proved the existence of God to all of you in many ways. Through science and experience, he proves the same way of "order" and "being constructive" of the universe. And different philosophical ways and logic and reason also prove the existence of God. And I told you all the ways. Please read and reason.

You are so religiously deluded that you cannot tell the difference between truth and lies.

You have proved absolutely no such thing at all about your claimed God or the contents of your silly religious book.

Far from your claim of "proof", you have not provided even a single shred of evidence, or even any honest reasoned credible argument for any sort of God.

And you do not even appear to understand what genuine evidence actually is.

You can believe whatever nonsense you want about ancient gods and ancient holy books, but when you preach that to others, telling them to convert to your religion or else they will be slaughtered ... and when you indoctrinate your own children with such beliefs, that actually does make you a serious menace to the society around you (not very dissimilar, in fact, to the lethal religious maniacs of groups like IS, who also preach God's imminent destruction of the “infidel non-believers”).

 

[Chanakya]

You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God.
Sri Ramakrishna

Ah amazing.

heydarian, have you any clue who this "Sri Ramakrishna" is, whom you've quoted here? He was a polytheist.

Here's what you said upthread about polytheism and polytheists: "(God) also forgives sins without repentance, but he never forgives polytheism and despair of God's mercy". Here's that post of yours, right here:

Hello to all the loved ones of the association and the group. I want to clear up a misunderstanding :
In the Holy Quran, more is said about divine mercy. Of course, while pointing out that the Qur'anic concepts should not be studied and understood by counting only the verses and their frequency. In terms of the number of words, more than 560 times it speaks only of "mercy and forgiveness", while about 400 cases are about torment. Although the number is not a condition.Many try to point to the torments by quoting the verses of divine mercy and blessings, which make the body and soul happy both in this world and in the Hereafter, to say: The God to whom Islam and the Qur'an have called is cruel. , Is angry, tormenting - psychological sadism, etc. Obviously, this kind of misunderstanding of God, especially for Servants
who constantly make small and big mistakes, causes dissatisfaction, despair and distance, and of course leads to disbelief and denial. However, God, the Wise and the Guiding, has not only informed man of his good and bad consequences, but has repeatedly reminded him of God's love, forgiveness, forgiveness, mercy, forgiveness and grace, and has stated that even many. He also forgives sins without repentance, but he never forgives polytheism and despair of God's mercy...

Talk about clutching at straws!

 

[JoeMorgue]

You are so religiously deluded that you cannot tell the difference between truth and lies.

So a minimal amount of religious belief then.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Ah amazing.

heydarian, have you any clue who this "Sri Ramakrishna" is, whom you've quoted here? He was a polytheist.

Here's what you said upthread about polytheism and polytheists: "(God) also forgives sins without repentance, but he never forgives polytheism and despair of God's mercy". Here's that post of yours, right here:

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Talk about clutching at straws!

I'm just as boggled at him quoting Robert G. Ingersoll who was known as “the great agnostic".