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That's nothing. On my YouTube channel I've demonstrated cold fusion using papier-mâché and a descant recorder.
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That's nothing. On my YouTube channel I've demonstrated cold fusion using papier-mâché and a descant recorder.
Roger Ramjets
Philosopher
junkshop
Otto's Favourite
Maybe you shouldn't be:
"According to Prophet Muhammad, pride is a disease. Pride is one of the greatest sins in Islam and he who is proud is arrogant. Prophet Muhammad told his followers that no person with an atoms weight of pride in his heart shall enter paradise."
https://musliminc.com/what-does-islam-teach-about-pride-3475
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello. Continue the article:
Summary and final conclusion:
The world of matter and nature, while having a plurality in terms of components, is a real unit, and because it is the same as movement and change, it is inevitable and its existence does not originate from itself. Because its essence and identity change with existence and non-existence and nothing happens. Therefore, it has not created itself and inevitably has a cause other than itself that creates the necessary (algebraic) existence of the world. And is the creator of the universe. Existence The perfect cause (creator of existence) precedes the necessary existence of the disabled. As a result, the natural world is a causal event.
Also, time, which is the cradle of the natural world, each piece of which has a temporal event relative to its previous piece. Because its existence precedes the possibility that exists in the previous piece. Therefore, the world of nature is also a time event.
By proving the causal event and the temporal event of the natural world, we come to the conclusion that: First, the universe has a creator. And secondly, the creator of the universe cannot be of his own kind. Because there is no change.
This discussion is beyond the scope of experimental science and natural sciences. And it is not provable by the senses and matter. However, the senses, matter, and nature are tools that are necessary for analogy and
abstraction. But they do not in themselves prove the existence of the creator and creator of the universe. The above way is called proving the Creator of the universe by reason and wisdom. And it has a special place in divine philosophy. There are countless ways to prove the Creator. We are not going to look for all the ways. The important thing is that everyone acknowledges the existence of the Creator of the universe. Although skeptics have reasons for the authenticity of matter, the path of matter to the transcendental limit is no more. From then on, the guide is not responsible for the material...
Summary and final conclusion:
The world of matter and nature, while having a plurality in terms of components, is a real unit, and because it is the same as movement and change, it is inevitable and its existence does not originate from itself. Because its essence and identity change with existence and non-existence and nothing happens. Therefore, it has not created itself and inevitably has a cause other than itself that creates the necessary (algebraic) existence of the world. And is the creator of the universe. Existence The perfect cause (creator of existence) precedes the necessary existence of the disabled. As a result, the natural world is a causal event.
Also, time, which is the cradle of the natural world, each piece of which has a temporal event relative to its previous piece. Because its existence precedes the possibility that exists in the previous piece. Therefore, the world of nature is also a time event.
By proving the causal event and the temporal event of the natural world, we come to the conclusion that: First, the universe has a creator. And secondly, the creator of the universe cannot be of his own kind. Because there is no change.
This discussion is beyond the scope of experimental science and natural sciences. And it is not provable by the senses and matter. However, the senses, matter, and nature are tools that are necessary for analogy and
abstraction. But they do not in themselves prove the existence of the creator and creator of the universe. The above way is called proving the Creator of the universe by reason and wisdom. And it has a special place in divine philosophy. There are countless ways to prove the Creator. We are not going to look for all the ways. The important thing is that everyone acknowledges the existence of the Creator of the universe. Although skeptics have reasons for the authenticity of matter, the path of matter to the transcendental limit is no more. From then on, the guide is not responsible for the material...
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
... The truth is that the study of nature leads us to the supernatural. This is a road that goes to the border of the supernatural and ends there. And it only gives a vague sign of the supernatural. The maximum study of nature is what enlightens us; Nature is subjugated and subjugated by the power or powers of the manager and resourceful and understanding. But whether that power itself came from somewhere or not? Is it eternal? Is it single or multiple? Is it comprehensive of the attributes of perfection or not? Is his knowledge and power finite or unlimited? Is it everywhere? Or is it just a mass of light clinging to the sky ?! The answer to these questions is not in the field of experimental sciences and matter. And can be searched and examined in other areas. The answer to these questions is in the field of reason and philosophy (the path of wisdom) and in the name of intellectual behavior or in the field of mysticism (the way of the heart and esoteric intuition) and in the name of mystical behavior.
All the ways are mentioned in the verses of the Quran. And has answered all the questions.! In the Beaufort Qur'an, there is advice and emphasis on thinking and contemplation. We have already said that 70% of Quranic verses are about nature. But the study of nature is not enough to solve the above questions and riddles and it is necessary to reach the main answer through reason and mysticism. The more we go through the Qur'anic verses and study and search, the deeper and more important the truths we find.
So far it has been proved to you through existential philosophy (Using logic - deductive reasoning) that "science and perception" and "God" exist first. And secondly, they are not of matter and nature. And are supernatural...
All the ways are mentioned in the verses of the Quran. And has answered all the questions.! In the Beaufort Qur'an, there is advice and emphasis on thinking and contemplation. We have already said that 70% of Quranic verses are about nature. But the study of nature is not enough to solve the above questions and riddles and it is necessary to reach the main answer through reason and mysticism. The more we go through the Qur'anic verses and study and search, the deeper and more important the truths we find.
So far it has been proved to you through existential philosophy (Using logic - deductive reasoning) that "science and perception" and "God" exist first. And secondly, they are not of matter and nature. And are supernatural...
Mojo
Mostly harmless
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello. I told a corner of the miracles of this holy book (Quran). Which refers to the scientific points that have been discovered today in the seventh century AD. Well this is an honor. Of course, in my article, I gave examples of science in the Qur'an to conclude that proving that science and perception are supernatural. And I proved it. The premise of proving a theory is to know its logic and methods.
Thanks
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hi dear friend. It is an honor to speak with you. Dear friend, being proud of something that is useful and positive for human beings is not a sign of pride at all. Therefore, I am proud of you dear friends who ask and talk about the Qur'an in this group. Even if you say bad things about the Qur'an and do not accept it. I answer as much as I can. This is a good thing. Both your questions and my answers. Good luck. Proud of you and thank you.
Lothian
should be banned
As Mojo said. No one here has been convinced in the slightest way. You have not taken any feedback on board and have not looked to correct the logical flaws pointed out to you.
What are you looking to do with this? Are you looking to publish it? Submit it to a journal? Use it to blag your way into Jannah?
Or is the plan to just drip feed it here to an unappreciative audience?
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello dear friend and teacher. its definitely true. That is, through logic and philosophy, the existence of science and God can be understood. And the proof of this is not in the field of experimental sciences. It is only in the field of philosophy and mysticism. And in my article I used the way of existential philosophy using the method of deductive reasoning. This is the case for all philosophers in the new age as well. If you see any problems, please tell me with a logical reason so that I can check and answer. Thanks
junkshop
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Lothian
should be banned
When I read that version I was blown away. I thought it would be a breeze but honestly I stormed through.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello and thank you dear friend. I am looking for supernatural proof that your group has been challenged. And I proved it. The way to prove the supernatural is experimental science and not in the laboratory Dear friends. This subject is outside the field of experimental sciences and is in the field of philosophy and mysticism. And I chose the path of existential philosophy (deductive reasoning). I'm not looking for what you think. I am looking for science alongside the supernatural.
Genies and demons are of matter and nature, not the supernatural. And the experimental sciences can see them with special skills. I will not explain further. Because it is outside the scope of my article. Of course I know ... you check for yourself and reach for it. Why; God, the soul, knowledge and perception, angels, etc. are not of matter and nature and are supernatural. You have to set the boundaries between matter and extraterrestrial. Even science has accepted this. I wonder why you ignore it ?!
Thanks
Lothian
should be banned
heydarian saeed
I have something import for you to consider?
In 1215 the following was written in the Magna Carta.
The city of London shall enjoy all its ancient liberties and free customs, both by land and by water. We also will and grant that all other cities, boroughs, towns, and ports shall enjoy all their liberties and free customs
In 2012 nearly 800 years later the city of London opened up to the world and welcomed all to enjoy the liberties and customs of London in the Olympic games.
1. How did king John know about an event happing 800 years in the future?
2. Is this also evidence of the supernatural?
I have something import for you to consider?
In 1215 the following was written in the Magna Carta.
The city of London shall enjoy all its ancient liberties and free customs, both by land and by water. We also will and grant that all other cities, boroughs, towns, and ports shall enjoy all their liberties and free customs
In 2012 nearly 800 years later the city of London opened up to the world and welcomed all to enjoy the liberties and customs of London in the Olympic games.
1. How did king John know about an event happing 800 years in the future?
2. Is this also evidence of the supernatural?
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Mojo
Mostly harmless
People have been pointing out the problems with your argument for four weeks, over the last 15 pages. You have entirely failed to address any of the problems.
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heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Dear friend, in the Qur'an, there are many verses about contemplation and thinking and encouraging people to do this. I wonder how you do not see ?! I have no insistence on accepting what I am telling you about the Qur'an with a document. The choice is free for everyone. And there is no insistence or compulsion.
junkshop
Otto's Favourite
No, you didn't.
Um, this seems a little contradictory.
Would you care to offer some evidence for this bold claim?
Oh, I guess not.
Just no.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
heydarian, it's obvious you don't actually write most of what you post, but you could at least try to read it.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
This is utter gibberish.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
The problem is your basic premise: that just weaving words is a way of discovering truth.
Anyone can make up a story. We can imagine ways in which the universe could come to exist without requiring a creator - an infinite multiverse containing finite universes started by quantum fluctuations, for example - just as easily as you and your sources imagine a way which did require one.
The only way to justify choosing any one story over all the others is to look for, and find, objective evidence for it. There is none for your story, so there's no good reason to believe it. There are plenty of good reasons not to, chief among them being that it does not actually explain anything, it just kicks the can down the road by replacing the question 'how did the universe come to exist' with the even more difficult question 'how did God come to exist'.
It was explained to you right from the start why your approach to proving the supernatural was fundamentally flawed. You chose to proceed with it anyway and have convinced no one, just as predicted.
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