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And I told you the scientific material mentioned in the Qur'an to be an introduction to prove that "human knowledge and perception" is not of matter and nature, but is supernatural. And these are just tools of cognition and a means of science. And science itself is abstract from matter. And I proved it to you philosophically.

This seems directly pertinent to the purpose of this thread, but if you believe you have proved that human knowledge and perception are supernatural then somehow I overlooked your proof. I'd be grateful if you would post this proof again or indicate where it can be found.
 
What did you mean, then, when you wrote “almost 14 billion light-years have passed since then”, or “4 billion light years later”?


YEARS, heydarian, not LIGHT YEARS. These are different things.

Hi dear friend. The answer to the longevity of the universe, which is almost 14 billion light-years away. And some of the life of the universe until the Big Bang, which is about 4 billion light-years away. It is in the introduced sites. Of course, in the Qur'an, we have calculated the same amount by calculating the speed of light and the days of the creation of the world by God. But I do not need to talk about it in this article.

Heydarian,
a light year is a measure of distance. The sources you linked to are talking about years, a measure of time.
 
heydarian, I have skipped over most of your pasted in posts about science, because you have not tried to link them to the Quran. i do not need science lessons from someone who is trying to claim they somehow support the Quran, unless you link the science to specific Quranic verses.

Hello dear friend. I did not understand exactly what you meant. If you mean to reject science, it is well known that science exists. And there is no doubt about it. And if you mean that there is no knowledge in the Qur'an. Well, I told you the exact address of the verse and the surah, and my words are documented. And you need to read exactly the verse and its meaning to realize that there is a scientific reference in it. Unless you accept the Qur'an and reject the Qur'an. Well, that's another matter. But know that if you have rejected the Qur'an, it means that you have denied the whole universe because the Qur'an speaks of the existence of the universe.
And I do not see you like this. Rather, I see a completely sober and positive mind.
Thanks and looking forward to seeing you.
 
What verse or is the Koran and it's calculation too embarrassing to share?

God did not calculate it. But the verses and signs in the Qur'an are said to have been calculated by examining the group of Qur'anic scholars and by the document and evidence and the verses and chapters that have been used.
No, this is not what you think. And I am proud to talk about the Qur'an and its miracles. And I have the subject of the speed of light and the calculation of the life of the universe in the Qur'an. And it is safe with me. wait. wait. I do not think it is appropriate to say at this time.
 
This seems directly pertinent to the purpose of this thread, but if you believe you have proved that human knowledge and perception are supernatural then somehow I overlooked your proof. I'd be grateful if you would post this proof again or indicate where it can be found.
Hello dear friend. I have proved through existential philosophy that science and perception are not of matter and nature. You can refer to the sources of existential philosophy for review. The best and highest evidence for the philosophy of existence is the books and works of Mulla Sadra Shirazi. Read if you have access. If you have rejected my philosophical arguments in this regard, tell me the reason so that I can investigate and answer. Do not forget the basic principle that; Supernatural proof is not obtained through science, but only through philosophy. Because it is through analogy and abstraction, and this issue is not provable in the field of science, but through philosophy and (intuitive) mysticism.
In my article, I chose the path of existential philosophy. Of course, there is also the way of mysticism. But this way is possible by objective observation and is not possible for everyone. You can ask those who have been in the valley of mysticism. What is this way? I do not know. And I did. not choose. You have the right to choose, dear friend.
 
Hello dear and noble friend. I did not have the opportunity to reply to your posts due to replying to the posts of my dear friends. Please accept my apologies.
- Your perception of the beginning of the universe with the Big Bang is absolutely correct. And time begins to move.
I know my description is correct, albeit very simplified. You tried to claim that the passage that mentions smoke refers to the big bang. It very clearly does not. There was no explosion. There was no smoke. You can't simply handwave this away, you tried to link the smoke passage to the big bang. Either admit that you were wrong to do so and move on or attempt to explain why you were not wrong. You can't just say "Yes your description of the event is correct" and carry on like this doesn't invalidate one of your claims. Address the contradiction.
- I have already said that; The Qur'an is not a scientific encyclopedia that describes all the sciences in detail. I am only referring to some of the sciences (of which I have identified 14 important ones that have been discovered in the 20st and 21st centuries).
No you haven't. You've made extremely bold CLAIMS that this is the case, but in every one it's been rather clearly shown that normally you don't understand the science at all, and that the Quran does not appear to be making the claims you are saying it does. You're just making assertions and hoping that you won't get called on them. Provide evidence, not just your retrofit.

- The story of the ant and hearing his words by the Prophet Sulayman is in the Qur'an. And it has hints. And anyone can check. I also told some other points of Suleiman's story. And I did not reject the words of our dear friend.
The ants talked. This is not something that ever actually happens. Not only do ants not possess the capability to understand human language they physically cannot replicate it. Why is there a story about talking ants in the Quran?
- Islam and the Qur'an are free from violence and war.
Absolute garbage. I've personally quoted sections of the Quran telling Muslims to kill non believers. The Quran is filled with violence. You can't just claim it isn't there. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting that you can't hear me does not make the violence in the Quran go away.

Claiming that there is no violence in Islam is equally ridiculous. Do honour killings not happen in your world? Did 9/11 not happen? Boko Haram? The Taliban? The Mujahadeen? Syria's continued persecution of it's own people? The multiple wars against Israel? The medieval Jihads? Execution of homosexuals? Execution of apostates?

Islam is not alone in it's violent nature. That doesn't mean there isn't a metric ton of violence directly linked to Islam by the perpetrators.
There is a lot of discussion about this. And wants an explanation. I will say briefly:
God sent the prophets only for peace and the construction of a good and peaceful life for human beings, and He has given His instructions in the Bible of every religion (Islam).
Absolute nonsense on several levels.

1. There is a LOT of violence and cruelty in the Quran, much of it mandated by Allah. I have provided a list of quotes detailing a small sample of it. Deal with my quotes, don't just pretend they don't exist. It's transparent what you're doing. Stop it.

2. The Quran is not the instructions for every world religion and ISlam is not the only religion in the world. Not even close.

3 Even if this were somehow true, why should we care what Islam says when it isn't true? Allah isn't real. Why should we care what this fictional character has to say any more than we should care abut what Osiris or Thor have to say?

The best expression for this claim, I will introduce you to two verses in the Qur'an: Surah Anfal. Verse 61 and Surah Anbiya. Verse 107. War in Islam and the Qur'an is only to defend the right to human life. Not for aggression and extravagance. It is incumbent upon Muslims and Islamic governments to work for peace and the attraction of human hearts.

Except if those people refuse to convert to Islam. Then you should kill them all.

Your book says I should be killed Heydarian. Do you agree with it?
The most famous verse of war in the Qur'an in Surah Tawbah. Verse 26. See what he says: In order to protect the right to life of Muslims, if the enemy intends to take their life, war is obligatory on Muslims to defend the right to life.
Which shows that there IS violence and war in the Quran, which immediately contradicts your earlier claim.
And this kind of defensive warfare is perfectly compatible with human nature. And it makes sense.
At the end of the verse, he conditioned God's help to; Observance of human principles in Jetg and avoidance of extravagance.
The war in Islam and the Qur'an has never been to force or accept the religion of Islam and the beliefs of Islam and the Qur'an.
Even if that were true, which it is not, why does the Quran tell Muslims to kill all the non believers they find if said non believers do not convert to Islam?

It isn't a war, it's an extermination.
I have already told you the most important verse in this regard, which is freedom of thought and speech is the basic principle in Islam. (Verse 256. S. Baqarah) means that there is no compulsion in accepting religion.
Absolute garbage. It certainly says there is no compulsion in Islam, but this is contradicted by the multiple commands to shun and kill non believers, and the constant threats of hellfire if you do not accept Islam. This is absolutely an attempt at compulsion. "If you don't believe me you will be burned for eternity in a lake of fire" is absolutely an attempt at compulsion. It's a supernatural protection racket and it's disgusting.

Most of your questions, dear friend, were due to false teachings that the missionaries had a duty to explain to the people in a good and complete way. And they have left it incomplete.
This is a lie. I have directly quoted the Quran to support my arguments. I have said little about the actions of people. The Quran is a violent degenerate book of horrific nonsense and violent abuse. I have quoted passages from the Quran showing where this "holy book" commands it's followers to kill people like myself. I have shown you exact quotes. You're just claiming they don't exist and it's ridiculous.

You can't wish away the words of the Quran when they don't suit your narrative. your book contains commandments to kill non believers and apostates. Deal with that fact and admit that it does.
On the other hand, some government policies have been the next factor. There is no problem, dear friend, but look at Islam and the Qur'an impartially and without prejudice. And you do not have to accept it at all. Your opinion is completely respected and protected. The same questions are abundantly seen in our young generation of Muslims.
Thanks for listening. Hope to meet.
I have looked at it. It is filled with commandments to shun and kill non believers, abusive rhetoric against the Jews, continual violence and unsupported nonsense.

The Quran is a horrible book. It isn't alone in that, as I've repeatedly said the Bible is just as horrible if not worse, but you aren't claiming that the bible is devoid of violence.

Does the Quran command you to kill unbelievers, yes or no?
 
This is absolutely, totally, incontestably wrong. You cannot even begin to discuss cosmology if you don't understand that.

I apologize for not being able to tell you what I mean. Maybe my language ....
I do not intend to discuss cosmology. And it's basically not my area of ​​expertise. I just mentioned it in the article to achieve my goal of proving supernatural. This. Thank you.
 
You have claimed that passages that refer to the passage of time relate to light years, you continually try to talk about the big bang despite clearly not understanding it, and have claimed without any attribution that the Quran calculates the speed of light but you don't want to talk about cosmology?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
 
Do not forget the basic principle that; Supernatural proof is not obtained through science, but only through philosophy.
I doubt there is anyone here who would accept that principle. Because it's nonsense.

If you don't have objective evidence for the supernatural then you are wasting your time here.
 
The ants talked. This is not something that ever actually happens. Not only do ants not possess the capability to understand human language they physically cannot replicate it. Why is there a story about talking ants in the Quran?

But man, if they did, imagine the stories they'd tell! If someone shows me a talking ant, then we can discuss the supernatural. I mean, it doesn't seem possible to hear them, even if they had the physical capability to speak. Those vocal cords, so tiny.
 
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A light year is distance, not time. You're claiming that a light year is a measure of time. This is a fundamental, basic error. My7 year old niece knows this.

O Baba. I mean; When light travels at a speed of 300,000 kilometers per second and this movement of light lasts up to 4 billion years, this is the remaining life time of the universe. And also Triba 14 billion years that light has traveled at a speed of 300,000 kilometers is the life of the universe to this day. I said this with the light year. I no longer know how to convey my meaning to you dear friend and other dear friends? Maybe my expression or language is wrong. Please state what I mean as you understand it.
May your 7-year-old niece be healthy and well.
 
The movement of light doesn't "last 4 billion years". That isn't the remaining life time of the universe, I'm pretty sure that it will last way longer than 4 billion years.
 
A light year is distance, not time. You're claiming that a light year is a measure of time. This is a fundamental, basic error. My7 year old niece knows this.

I have a request from you Post owner: MarkCorrigan Please remove and change the caricature of the late Mr. James Randy, who always has a gun in his hand. Put a beautiful photo of them. To have a beautiful reflection. We do not have a war with each other to sit and talk face to face with guns.
Thank you very much, dear master and friend.
 
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