The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Can you elaborate on this or can we regulate it to the category of contentless posts that you now and then whinge about?

Hi. You mean the article, sir? Or do you want to talk about something else? I am at your service to answer as much as I can.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Sorry, but you did not show the Quran proves this at all.
Sorry, but you did not explain this at all. You have not even tried to answer the problems you have created.
But this is exactly what you are doing here. You do not address the questions and do not provide answers. You tell us that we need to ask scientists about scientific facts. The people in this forum are those scientists. They KNOW these facts. They are telling you.

Hi. It does not say details in the Qur'an. Of course, in some verses it explains a little more. But the main purpose of the narrator of the Qur'an, who is God, is to motivate man and motivate him to discover science and the unknown. That is why you think that the Qur'an or I, who am sending you the Qur'an, have not given you the answer. No, it is not. I have said the article and the answer. You look at it without prejudice. And do not take a stand. I have said everything necessary to answer the questions. think. And respond with a document.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I know the purpose of your numerous questions, friends of the forum. And why do you ask questions regularly? And asking questions is great for learning. I have not just entered this field to return and move. I have been thinking about the Qur'an and its subjects for 50 years, and I am always looking for something new and learning, of course, in accordance with the science of the day. I am at your service to answer. Wishing success and health to all of you friends ...

 

[junkshop]

I have said everything necessary to answer the questions. think. And respond with a document.

Wow, that's some A-grade arrogance you've got going on there, sweetheart.

 

[Pixel42]

He has found a very willing audience and participants.

The thread has 215 posts, 3200 views, going on 7 pages, preaching about the Quran, and he is engaging others to quote the scripture. I'd say he has found the perfect place to present his message, and engage in debate.

I'm pretty sure that was at least part of the goal. After all, he could be presenting his information to a forum of believers.

You're right, this is a good place to find people who will actually read and respond to this sort of nonsense. It's not a good place to make converts, however, as theprestige observed. So whether it's the right place for the OP to post depends on whether he wants to convince people, or just get attention. For me, the jury is still out on that.

 

[Michel H]

You're right, this is a good place to find people who will actually read and respond to this sort of nonsense. It's not a good place to make converts, however, as theprestige observed. So whether it's the right place for the OP to post depends on whether he wants to convince people, or just get attention. For me, the jury is still out on that.

But the opening poster did make some progress, since he is now quoting others individually.

It is not surprising that there are some discussions about religion in the "General Skepticism and The Paranormal" subforum (still doing its job).

To convince others, it is perhaps useful to avoid being rude.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Heydarian why did you ask for surah and verse quotes from me and then ignore the postss where I gave them?

You're still assuming that you have "shown" the Quran claims the earth is round. You're wrong, you've done no such thing. You've made it plain you don't understand geometry and are apparently unaware that the cardinal directions are just human inventions based upon mapping that can equally be applied to a flat earth as to a round (ish) one.

 

[heydarian saeed]

... Continue the method; Some scientists prefer to use more precise terms such as "disconnection" to describe this phenomenon instead of the word "big bang". In any case, what is important is that by fabricating these terms, they are trying to express the fact that the universe was originally a single interconnected mass (Qur'anic term; kanta ratqa means continuous) and then its components were separated from each other. (Quranic term; separation means separated) and then the stars, galaxies, the earth, etc. came into being.
The Qur'an has surpassed Western scientists in expressing the phenomenon of the beginning of creation in a very precise way.
The Qur'an says exactly the same thing 1,400 years ago
Which scientists have achieved. Note this verse:
(Surah Al-Anbiya ', verse 30)
Translation: "... The heavens and the earth were joined together, and We separated them."
This begs the question: At the time of the revelation of the Qur'an (seventh century), who knew that the world was first a single mass, then separated, and then the present world came into being? Is he none other than the supreme force that surrounds everything? Who is he? Where did his knowledge come from?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Heydarian why did you ask for surah and verse quotes from me and then ignore the postss where I gave them?

You're still assuming that you have "shown" the Quran claims the earth is round. You're wrong, you've done no such thing. You've made it plain you don't understand geometry and are apparently unaware that the cardinal directions are just human inventions based upon mapping that can equally be applied to a flat earth as to a round (ish) one.

Hi. I read and answered all your past and present. The geometry you say in the Qur'an and in the seventh century refers to the spherical shape of the earth. I said the address of the verse and the surah. It is also mentioned in 4 parts of the Quran. Is it clearer than this? Please see the address and the document that I said about the Quran.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Hi. I read and answered all your past and present.

This is what is called "a lie". You absolutely have not. You may have missed them rather than ignored them, but there are two posts of mine you have not responded to off the top of my head. Respond to them please. They are on a previous page.

The geometry you say in the Qur'an and in the seventh century refers to the spherical shape of the earth.

No it doesn't.

I said the address of the verse and the surah. It is also mentioned in 4 parts of the Quran.

You quoted a surah that talks about the cardinal directions. That says nothing about the shape of the earth. You've been told this. Repeating this claim despite being told that it is meaningless must therefore be a deliberate attempt to deceive.

Is it clearer than this? Please see the address and the document that I said about the Quran.

I have. It was unimpressive because it relies on your apparent contention that you can't have cardinal directions on a flat earth, which is obviously wrong as has been pointed out to you.

Now, are you going to respond to my posts that I compiled at length complete with quotes or are you going to tell me yet again you already did when it is obvious you did not?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Here are my posts you...missed:

Yes it does.



That's only one quote. There are several more. How do you spread out a sphere? You don't. You spread out something flat.


Any state. You can have an East and West on a flat earth quite easily.

Nonsense.

No it doesn't.

The sun passes over the heavens and sets into a muddy pool.



The sun moves just like the Moon.



The Sun and Moon float in an orbit (of the Earth)



The Sun moves until it gets to the point where it can rest.



The sun and the moon move at a set speed so that one doesn't overtake the other.



The moon follows the sun it it's orbit.

Do you want me to list all of the scientific and historical inaccuracies with surah and verse? Because we will be here for a long time.

 

[heydarian saeed]

But the opening poster did make some progress, since he is now quoting others individually.

It is not surprising that there are some discussions about religion in the "General Skepticism and The Paranormal" subforum (still doing its job).

To convince others, it is perhaps useful to avoid being rude.

Thank you very much for the patience of the esteemed jury. And I wish them health and well-being. But you said about rudeness. It is natural to hear insults, slanders, insults and ridicule in the way I have set foot. And I am satisfied because I pursue my goal and I want to prove to you the supernatural through modern science and existential philosophy. And of course this is a difficult path. And I have to feel aggression from others. But I will never allow myself to disrespect or insult anyone's opinion or words. We must move towards a world of freedom of expression and expression.
We have in the Qur'an that says: The wise listen to the words and follow the best of them. These are the ones whose God has guided them, and these are the wise. (Surah Zumr, verse 18)We follow this verse.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

The Quran also says that unbelievers should be killed. Do you think we should be killed Heydarian?

I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any god or gods. Should I be killed for that?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Here are my posts you...missed:

I have given your answer in detail and the necessary explanations before. Please read my previous answer. I do not see the need to repeat. Good luck.

 

[heydarian saeed]

The Quran also says that unbelievers should be killed. Do you think we should be killed Heydarian?

I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any god or gods. Should I be killed for that?

No, this is not the case. If someone commits a crime of any kind, he should be punished according to its severity and the consequences of its destruction in human society. And punishment differs in every society and country. I personally have no good relationship with killing others and I hate it. And I am very eager for friendship, peaceful life and negotiation and debugging through interaction. At the same time, I respect the beliefs of all religions and thoughts. how about you? I am from the land of Persia and Cyrus the Great.

 

[heydarian saeed]

The Quran also says that unbelievers should be killed. Do you think we should be killed Heydarian?

I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any god or gods. Should I be killed for that?

I am looking for a human society with a great culture. In which all human beings of all faiths are respected. And the full observance of human civil rights. You know that by the order of Cyrus the Great, the first international laws were written in cuneiform inscriptions of Biston-Persepolis and the Achaemenid tablet. I follow that great man. My religion is Islam and my book is the Quran. And I am in the life and society of Persia to the kingdom of Cyrus the Great.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

No, this is not the case.

What is not the case? That you don't think I should be killed? Ok, fair enough.

That the Quran doesn't say I should be killed? Yes, it does.

If someone commits a crime of any kind, he should be punished according to its severity and the consequences of its destruction in human society.

Right...

And punishment differs in every society and country.

There are, I believe, 16 countries where leaving Islam is penalised by various punishments up to and including death. This is based on the Quran which proscribes killing apostates.

I personally have no good relationship with killing others and I hate it. And I am very eager for friendship, peaceful life and negotiation and debugging through interaction.

Good to hear.

At the same time, I respect the beliefs of all religions and thoughts. how about you?

I respect religious people and I respect their autonomy to hold whatever beliefs they hold within reason, I do not respect beliefs if they are not deserving of respect. Respecting beliefs is pointless.

I am from the land of Persia and Cyrus the Great.

Which hasn't existed as an independent state for several centuries.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I have given your answer in detail and the necessary explanations before. Please read my previous answer. I do not see the need to repeat. Good luck.

I've explained why your answer was insufficient. Why do you keep ignoring that?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Hello. You are probably not familiar with geometry and geometric shapes and spheres. A sphere has infinite diameter...

No, a sphere does not have infinite diameter. I don't think you believe this to be true and I assume this is either a bad translation or a careless mis-statement of what you intended to say. It's just one example but I have to say it is often not at all clear what points you intend to express.

In any case, the general thrust of your argument seems to be to describe some modern science and then tell us you believe this was what the Quran was describing in some verse. As several posters have already said, this is a pointless exercise as it is too easy to retrospectively ascribe meanings to old texts and you can interpret them to mean almost anything you please. People do this all the time, often with the "prophecies" of Nostradamus, and it's a completely futile game.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I've explained why your answer was insufficient. Why do you keep ignoring that?

Dear fellow; The religion of Islam and its laws and what is stated in the book of the Qur'an may not be in line with the policy of the Islamic government. Therefore, you do not know what you see in Islamic governments in accordance with the religion of Islam and the Qur'an. Because they are different. I think you understand what I mean. Thanks