The supernatural

[Scorpion]

Further to post 193, which says the Quran says at verse 21.30 God made every living thing of water. Muhammad clearly stole this from Genesis 1.20 from the bible.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-1-20/

 

[Norman Alexander]

Dear friend of the association; You have the right to choose and you can choose other meanings of the word. But keep in mind the goal. It wants to motivate us to explore science and the unknown. He wants to motivate us to always progress and evolve by achieving science. Is this a good idea and thought?

No it is not a good idea at all. You are doing science backwards which is very wrong. You cannot choose the meanings for words to make the text say what you want. That is not scientific. That is only playing games with words.

Here is an example. You have two words next to each other from the Quran text and each of them has ten meanings. That means for just those two words alone you will have 100 combinations of meanings they could say together. Yet you pick only one of those and say it is the only correct meaning. The other 99 meanings are ignored because they don't support your theory.

If you had three words, the number of meanings will be 1000. Four words, 10000, You are using a whole Quran with thousands of words, which makes the number of meanings you can choose many MANY millions. Huge numbers of choices. And yet you choose just one meaning because that is the one that fits your theory.

This is not science at all. It is a serious mistake called "cherry-picking", choosing only the data you like personally. And this is why we say you are doing science backwards. You have a result you already want and now you are trying to justify it using a holy book. You could just as easily used The Rubaiyat, or the Shahnameh, or today's copy of Hamshahri, to get the same result.

 

[Scorpion]

The Qur'an speaks of neutron stars - of dark matter and dark energy - of space black holes, and so on.

No it doesn't. I suspect you have been reading Muslim propaganda that tries to make something out of obscure verses.

Who could have said that in the seventh century? Muhammad was illiterate! So who told him the Quran? wait ...

It was probably his uncle who taught him the bible and other things. Then when his uncle said he was a false prophet Muhammad wrote a surah condemning his uncle and his uncles wife to hell . Surah 111

 

[Warp12]

Islamic evangelism really needs to up its game. At the very least, "know your audience" should be part of basic prep.

Perhaps he does know his audience.

 

[Scorpion]

Here is the Yusuf Ali translation of surah 21.30
' Do not the unbelievers see that the heaven and earth were joined together before we clove them asunder.'

This does not mean that Muhammad was right about the big bang, because the aftermath of the big bang only created hydrogen atoms. These atoms compressed and ignited as the first stars. Then billions of years later some of these stars exploded and ejected heavy atoms that were created inside them into space. Only then could planets form out of these heavy atoms. The earth was not created for the first ten billion years.

Therefore the heaven and earth were not joined together as the Quran says. Verse 21.30 does not describe the big bang.

 

[turingtest]

Whether it's Christians or Muslims doing it, it's still just selective interpretation of bits of scriptures to make them say what sounds like science. It doesn't seem like much of an advertisement for any religion's claim to primacy as a source of knowledge to say that the "science" in it can only be understood as such by the light of what actual science, as a process, later comes up with. And, apparently, there's more to come- there are still further "predictions" in scriptures of things science will say one day that will be seen as revelations by...waiting for science to tell us what was being said.

 

[Scorpion]

Continuation of the method: Dr. Henri Corbin, the famous French Islamologist, has an interesting speech about the Qur'an. He says: If the Qur'an was superstitious and not from God, he would never have dared to invite human beings to knowledge, reason and thought. No thought has called man to knowledge as much as the Qur'an of Muhammad (PBUH) to the extent that about nine hundred and fifty times in the Qur'an, science, reason and thought have been mentioned.

Quran surah 5.101 says not to ask questions, because you might become a disbeliever.

 

[Pixel42]

Quran surah 5.101 says not to ask questions, because you might become a disbeliever.

That was certainly my main takeaway when I read the Quoran - don't ask questions, and don't have anything to do with people who do. Which means, to me, don't do science, and don't have anything to do with scientists.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Further to post 193, which says the Quran says at verse 21.30 God made every living thing of water. Muhammad clearly stole this from Genesis 1.20 from the bible.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-1-20/

As did Christians. But copyright law didn't exist back then, so it was perfectly legal!

 

[heydarian saeed]

You have ignored post 86 where I quote a hadith that proves Muhammad thought the sun orbits the earth. As for there not being a west and east on a flat earth you are talking nonsense. A flat earth still has a north, south, east, and west.

Hello. You are probably not familiar with geometry and geometric shapes and spheres. A sphere has infinite diameter. And the vertex of each diameter on each side can be a west-east-north and south. As the earth is spherical and has infinite geographical directions. In the Qur'an, the word plural is used for east and west. That is, it tells us exactly the spherical shape of the earth. Your skepticism about the sun's rotation around the earth stems from the fact that you have seen or heard something from Greek times.And do you think he has said this in the Qur'an? No, sir, this is not the case. Even you do not know its address in the book of Quran to tell me in which surah or verse it says that the sun revolves around the earth? Now listen to me tell you where these bugs come from?:
Verses 38 and 40 of Surah Yasin speak of the types of rotation of the sun (longitudinal and rotational) in its fixed orbit, not its rotation around the earth, and it is an honor for the Qur'an to mention the types of rotation of the sun hundreds of years ago. In other verses, such as verse 40 of Surah Ma'arij, the sphericity of the earth and its rotation around the sun is mentioned and confirms this meaning. We have 4 verses in the Qur'an that say that the earth is spherical.Some Orientalists consider the movement of the sun in these verses to mean the movement of the sun around the earth, which at the time of the revelation of the Qur'an was considered as the scientific description of the movement of the planets, and considered it contrary to the findings of astronomy today. They have to prove the conflict between the Qur'an and science and its immortality!This is while in these verses we are talking about "the types of rotation of the sun (longitudinal and rotational) in its fixed orbit and not its rotation around the earth."
I have no advice for you for the Quran. Just talk to the science and the address and the document. Nothing is proven by what is said and heard. With great respect and thanks

 

[heydarian saeed]

That was certainly my main takeaway when I read the Quoran - don't ask questions, and don't have anything to do with people who do. Which means, to me, don't do science, and don't have anything to do with scientists.

Hello and best regards. I was very happy that you said the verse and the surah. In answering you, I can search better. Thank you again.
At the time of this verse; Muhammad used to talk to people about Hajj. Someone asked: Is Hajj obligatory every year or only once in a lifetime? The Prophet did not answer. He asked many times, the Messenger of God said: What is all this insistence for? If I say: "Every year, the work becomes difficult for you", until I have raised an issue, you should not ask: "One of the causes of the destruction of the previous nations was their misplaced questions".
And in verse 43 of Surah An-Nahl, he says: Although what we do not know, we should ask his people (the people of knowledge), "Ask the people of remembrance that you do not know." From the faults of others, or military secrets, etc.
Therefore, it is very good to ask questions, and we have 950 verses in the Qur'an for knowledge and asking, which it recommends. But the misplaced question not only does not clarify the issue, but also causes bad events to happen.
Thanks

 

[heydarian saeed]

Whether it's Christians or Muslims doing it, it's still just selective interpretation of bits of scriptures to make them say what sounds like science. It doesn't seem like much of an advertisement for any religion's claim to primacy as a source of knowledge to say that the "science" in it can only be understood as such by the light of what actual science, as a process, later comes up with. And, apparently, there's more to come- there are still further "predictions" in scriptures of things science will say one day that will be seen as revelations by...waiting for science to tell us what was being said.

Hello. You said excellent.
I also did not want to propagate my religion or the Qur'an. I just said that the method of proving the supernatural is the discussion of this association. Because I am a Muslim, I prefer to quote from the Bible of our religion, the Qur'an, and prove the supernatural to you with modern science and existential philosophy. This. But my friends in the association have a lot of questions about Islam and the Qur'an and they ask, and I have a duty to answer as much as I can. Thanks again for your beautiful thinking.

 

[Susheel]

Perhaps he does know his audience.

Can you elaborate on this or can we regulate it to the category of contentless posts that you now and then whinge about?

 

[heydarian saeed]

... Continuation of the article-method;
I will write you some examples of Quranic verses with brief scientific explanations:
You may be surprised, like me, to know that the eleven important scientific truths discovered in the last century were revealed by the Qur'an 1400 years ago.
The unique feature of our time is that it is called the age of space because man has been able to discover many dazzling truths of the created world and change the way we look at the world around us. It is strange to see that these facts are clearly stated in a book that was revealed 1400 years ago. At a time when astronomy was nothing but astrology, deception, superstition and myth.
A supreme and supreme force has placed these scientific facts in his book to guide those who doubt its legitimacy to find the light of truth through it. And seek to discover science. These eleven scientific truths are:

 

[Pixel42]

Hello. You are probably not familiar with geometry and geometric shapes and spheres.

It is clear from the gibberish that follows that you are the one not familiar with geometry and geometric shapes and spheres.

For example:

A sphere has infinite diameter.

Wrong. The diameter of the earth, for example is 12,742 km.

North, south, east and west could be used just as easily to specify directions and co-ordinates on a flat earth as a spherical one. That you don't realise this suggest profound scientific ignorance.

 

[heydarian saeed]

1. How the world of creation began؛
One of the most important discoveries of scientists in the twentieth century is to discredit the idea of ​​the primordial and eternal nature of the world. They have proven with convincing scientific evidence that the creation of the universe began with a terrible explosion known as the "BIG BANG." Investigations into the details of the blast are ongoing. They say: The universe was originally a single mass that exploded and has taken its current form over millions of years.
A physicist named Higgs claims that a fundamental particle formed after the Big Bang that gave mass to atoms. (In the model we have for the particle model, particles are assumed to be massless, and according to the mechanism proposed by Higgs to explain the mass of particles, there are particles that the rest of the particles become massive when they come in contact with it.)
In 2011, nuclear physicists at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at the CERN Underground Laboratory (CERN) near the Swiss-French border, which refracted proton beams at the speed of light, creating conditions in which A fraction of a second after the Big Bang, they discovered the Higgs boson stem particle. (And this particle, after the same scientist, was called "Higgs". While others have called it "God's particle"!) And it changed the world of physics. (Although 1,600 trillion collisions have been created in the tunnel so far, only less than 300 potentially Higgs particles have been potentially discovered in these collisions.)...

 

[Warp12]

Islamic evangelism really needs to up its game. At the very least, "know your audience" should be part of basic prep.

Perhaps he does know his audience.

Can you elaborate on this or can we regulate it to the category of contentless posts that you now and then whinge about?

He has found a very willing audience and participants.

The thread has 215 posts, 3200 views, going on 7 pages, preaching about the Quran, and he is engaging others to quote the scripture. I'd say he has found the perfect place to present his message, and engage in debate.

I'm pretty sure that was at least part of the goal. After all, he could be presenting his information to a forum of believers.

 

[heydarian saeed]

It is clear from the gibberish that follows that you are the one not familiar with geometry and geometric shapes and spheres.

For example:



Wrong. The diameter of the earth, for example is 12,742 km.

North, south, east and west could be used just as easily to specify directions and co-ordinates on a flat earth as a spherical one. That you don't realise this suggest profound scientific ignorance.

Today, accurate measurements show that the Earth's equatorial diameter is 43 km larger than its polar diameter. In fact, the Earth's equatorial diameter is 12,756 km and its polar diameter is 12,713 km. In my discussion, I discussed the shape of the sphere in general. And that it has been proven in the Qur'an that the earth is in the shape of a sphere. Details are not in my field of science and I do not need to know. And in response to the question of the flatness of the earth and the problems that the friends of the association took from the Qur'an, I explained. For detailed knowledge about the shape and diameter of your earth, refer to respected scientists in this field. It is good that we want science to learn and progress, not to stonewall and hinder progress.

 

[heydarian saeed]

He has found a very willing audience and participants.

The thread has 215 posts, 3200 views, going on 7 pages, preaching about the Quran, and he is engaging others to quote the scripture. I'd say he has found the perfect place to present his message, and engage in debate.

I'm pretty sure that was at least part of the goal. After all, he could be presenting his information to a forum of believers.

Thank you very much. I aim; Submitting an article to prove the supernatural. Through modern science - Quran and existential philosophy. Of course, there is nothing wrong with us talking about related issues. "Freedom of speech" is not it, is it? thank you again

 

[Norman Alexander]

Today, accurate measurements show that the Earth's equatorial diameter is 43 km larger than its polar diameter. In fact, the Earth's equatorial diameter is 12,756 km and its polar diameter is 12,713 km. In my discussion, I discussed the shape of the sphere in general. And that it has been proven in the Qur'an that the earth is in the shape of a sphere.

Sorry, but you did not show the Quran proves this at all.

Details are not in my field of science and I do not need to know. And in response to the question of the flatness of the earth and the problems that the friends of the association took from the Qur'an, I explained.

Sorry, but you did not explain this at all. You have not even tried to answer the problems you have created.

For detailed knowledge about the shape and diameter of your earth, refer to respected scientists in this field. It is good that we want science to learn and progress, not to stonewall and hinder progress.

But this is exactly what you are doing here. You do not address the questions and do not provide answers. You tell us that we need to ask scientists about scientific facts. The people in this forum are those scientists. They KNOW these facts. They are telling you.