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The Jan. 6 Investigation

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smartcooky said:
- They had an inbox with over 400,000 tips in it and it is still building.

- They have arrested and charged almost 600 people out of the 30,000+ people who were at the riot, about 100 of whom have only been arrested in the last 5 weeks

- They had to review tens of thousand of hours of video, and are still doing it. We have only seen a small part of the total. The FBI are keeping some of that under wraps (no discovery is required until charges are laid)

All this takes time... time and resources, and frankly, with the scale of this investigation (when was the last time almost 600 people have been arrested and charged for participating in a single riot?) I am staggered that they have manage to get so far along on this.

But you are expecting instant results.... ain't gonna happen!
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6 months isn't instant. And yeah, I get that it doesn't all happen instantly, that more charges are likely to come for more people.

But attempted murder is a lot more significant than trespassing and disorderly conduct. Shouldn't such cases have priority? Shouldn't at least ONE of the supposed many attempted murderers be up on charges by now? It's not impossible that someone will be. But it seems... unlikely, at this point.
 
jimbob said:
Hey, there's felony murder, which even though it didn't involve the police officers being attacked, I would be happy with their attackers being charged with.
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I don't see Felony murder as likely.
 
Ziggurat said:
6 months isn't instant. And yeah, I get that it doesn't all happen instantly, that more charges are likely to come for more people.

But attempted murder is a lot more significant than trespassing and disorderly conduct. Shouldn't such cases have priority? Shouldn't at least ONE of the supposed many attempted murderers be up on charges by now? It's not impossible that someone will be. But it seems... unlikely, at this point.
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Simple answer...NO. They are going to pressure some of these people to flip which will result in the more serious charges. So the more serious charges might take years.
 
theprestige said:
Because they're the legislature. The whole point of congressional hearings is to determine if some new remedy in law is called for.*
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True, but not always. Was any new laws passed after the JFK investigation? How about Ben Ghazi? How How about HUARC?
 
Ziggurat said:
Yes. The DOJ page I linked lists the status of all cases. From hers:

Arrested 1/29/21. Initial appearance 2/8/21.

Charged via criminal information 4/1/21. Arraigned 4/29/21 where she pleaded not guilty to all counts.

Defendant remains on peronal recognizane. Status conference set for 9/28/21 at 3:00 pm.​
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So we are back to 'made a threat' not 'attempted murder'. And as was mentioned more charges can still be added.
 
Ziggurat said:
6 months isn't instant. And yeah, I get that it doesn't all happen instantly, that more charges are likely to come for more people.

But attempted murder is a lot more significant than trespassing and disorderly conduct. Shouldn't such cases have priority? Shouldn't at least ONE of the supposed many attempted murderers be up on charges by now? It's not impossible that someone will be. But it seems... unlikely, at this point.
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I would think the first cases to be seen in court are those that can be dispatched quickly.

A complicated case would be much later. Takes time to prepare on both sides. Defense attorneys request delays all the time.
 
acbytesla said:
Simple answer...NO. They are going to pressure some of these people to flip which will result in the more serious charges. So the more serious charges might take years.
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I doubt it. There was no grand conspiracy here.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I would think the first cases to be seen in court are those that can be dispatched quickly.

A complicated case would be much later. Takes time to prepare on both sides. Defense attorneys request delays all the time.
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The so called "tourists". People who entered the Capitol building later and there is little to no evidence of any violence or planning. But new evidence is coming in every day. Someone who may appear at first glance as a tourist might be discovered to be in a lot more trouble.
 
Ziggurat said:
I doubt it. There was no grand conspiracy here.
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Well, I'm glad you cleared that up. Here I thought they should investigate.

"Never mind questioning them, boys. Nothing to see here."

What an arrogant, condescending thing to assert.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
Well, I'm glad you cleared that up. Here I thought they should investigate.

"Never mind questioning them, boys. Nothing to see here."

What an arrogant, condescending thing to assert.
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You can call it whatever you want, it remains true. Insulting me won't change that. More investigation won't find what they've been unable to find any trace of so far.

And really, what do you expect? You expect a grand conspiracy spearheaded by the likes of that idiot with a buffalo hat and face paint? That's how you topple the US federal government? Please. They might find a few loons in a basement who "conspired", but there isn't going to be anything else, no matter how long you look.
 
Ah, so we are back to the 'downplay the whole thing' tactic again, I see.

New shades of "Trump isn't uniquely bad" routine?
 
acbytesla said:
Yes there definitely was a conspiracy. There are at least a dozen Proud Boys and Oath keepers charged with conspiracy.
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What part of "grand" did you not understand? You can charge people for criminal conspiracy even if the conspiracy is small and pathetic. Which those were.
 
Ziggurat said:
6 months isn't instant. And yeah, I get that it doesn't all happen instantly, that more charges are likely to come for more people.

But attempted murder is a lot more significant than trespassing and disorderly conduct. Shouldn't such cases have priority? Shouldn't at least ONE of the supposed many attempted murderers be up on charges by now? It's not impossible that someone will be. But it seems... unlikely, at this point.
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What do you think should happen to the people who did these things? You saw the videos. You read the reports. What should happen? And don't give me some vague answer.
 
Ziggurat said:
What part of "grand" did you not understand? You can charge people for criminal conspiracy even if the conspiracy is small and pathetic. Which those were.
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Trump is a co-conspirator as are Congressmen and others. This was a an insurrection and Trump was the mastermind. But Trump's attempt was designed to provide him deniability.

He made it clear to others what he wanted done without telling them to do it explicitly. Exactly as Michael Cohen described how he operates.

Trump was Henry the II. "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest."

He wanted a coup. He organized the rally on the day of the counting. He told the rioters to walk down to the Capitol. Other speakers told the attendees to fight. His cronies in the military would not call for a response. And Trump cheered the rioters on.
 
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