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Allopathic Medicine!!!

P.J. Denyer said:
A more 'authentic" way. Albeit more wasteful of water

1. Take a bottle and put something in it. Doesn't matter what, homeopaths have used everything from duck liver to pieces of the Berlin Wall.
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Or even excrementum canem. Translating it into Latin makes it look so much more sciencey, doesn’t it. And people might be reluctant to take it if it was labelled in English. I’ve seen it offered in 6X.
 
Mongrel said:
Don't forget 'Anti-matter' and 'Moonlight'
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I wonder, would excrementum taurum be another “imponderable”, in which case they could make it by putting the pills near a homeopath, or would they use the actual material?
 
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arthwollipot said:
If water has a memory, a trained person should be able to tell the difference between a homeopathic remedy and plain water. Why has nobody ever done that?

Because there's literally nothing in it.
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Randi used to think that - he'd show himself overdosing on homeopathic remedies - and he's dead now.

QED
 
Caroline13 said:
I'm not a homeopathic doctor for starters. And it's all about "like cures like"...look it up.
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So arsenic is like Covid how? Of course it rejects the whole germ theory of disease for a start, totally against homeopathic doctrine that germ nonsense.
 
Of course the idea of diluting the substance to prevent its poisoning the patient was a later development.

Hahnemann's original idea was that stuff which makes a healthy person ill with particular symptoms will also make a sick person with the same symptoms well again. I suppose the idea had a pleasing symmetry. Of course it doesn't work, it just poisons the already sick person some more.

Diluting the toxic substance was less harmful, unsurprisingly. Diluting it more and more seemed better still. Ultimately it turned out that effectively doing nothing while appearing to be doing something gave the greatest benefit he could achieve.

To his credit, with the state of medicine over 200 years ago it was, by happy accident, often to the patient's benefit to do nothing rather than try various other therapies which were around at the time. Of course the rise of evidence-based medicine meant that this ceased to be the case.

I gather he went on to develop another theory, that diseases were caused by coffee.
 
Mojo said:
Or even excrementum canem. Translating it into Latin makes it look so much more sciencey, doesn’t it. And people might be reluctant to take it if it was labelled in English. I’ve seen it offered in 6X.
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Side drift: for a dip into classic American humorous literature, hunt down Ambrose Bierce's Oil of Dog.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Some of us also know the history, and the "theory" behind the various Materia Medica and Repertory references.

Hint: it's a library-card system for imaginary diseases and nonsensical remedies. More people getting rich off this are the unscrupulous developers selling these as reputable databases.

And please don't get real scientists started on the homeopathic remedy proving thing. They don't usually swear, but for this they will make exceptions.
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Testify!

A mate of mine from university originally did a BSc in physiology, went on to a PhD in medical physiology (oxygen uptake), then had to take a medical degree in order to be able to pursue an academic career, but decided to become a GP instead. One time we were sitting in a pub in Sheffield, having a quiet pint and an acquaintance of mine walked in and came and joined us and began blethering on about their new "discovery" - homeopathy and proving and succussing'n'that. I sat and waited and waited, wondering how long my mate's patience could last...They were still clearing pieces of the other bod off the ceiling a week later...

Strange, he was usually a very pleasant, patient bloke and I was the sharp-tongued, sarcastic one...
 
I drink copious amounts of homeopathic medicine every day. I find that it's vastly improved by running it through a filter full of coffee.

Presumably the random and complete memory of water in actual remedies is somehow neutralized when they're succussed or whatever nonsense is performed in preparation, but if water has a memory, then won't all that effort be threatened every time you drink a wild glass? Imagine taking a remedy for, say, insomnia, and accidentally drinking a glass of water that remembers that once a molecule of stimulant passed through it. The war is on!

If the water itself has a memory, and if those conflicts occur in it, it's a wonder that our pipes don't explode from the pitched battle that must be occurring.
 
The way homoepaths determine what effect their remedies have, is also interesting, and just as worthless as every other aspect of their practice.

They expose healthy individuals to the remedy, and then they note down everything that this person experiences. This is called “proving” (in itself an interesting choice of word, because there is some mild built-in deception). The provers can experience headache, pains, dizziness, feelings of unease etc., and every one of these results are regarded as symptoms that the remedy can cure in an ill person.

In this way, you can get any remedy cure anything you want, and especially want you expect it to cure. The “Berlin Wall” remedy, for instance, was able to cure a “feeling of being oppressed”. If a prover was in fact ill without knowing it, the effect of the remedy could take an unexpected turn.
 
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