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Allopathic Medicine!!!

bruto said:
A separate post for this. It is inherently a homeopathic thread (or, given its initiator, more an anti-homeopathic thread), because the term "allopathic" is a neologism coined by the founder of homeopathy, Dr. Hahneman, specifically to designate all medicine that is not homeopathic.
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I did explain this way back at the beginning of the thread, btw. But well worth repeating.
 
Caroline13 said:
Damage Done:

Shorter Right Leg
Femoral Nerve Damage
IT Band Damage
Greater Trochanter Muscle Bursitis
Years of Neuropathy
Right foot damage from shorter leg and unstable body I'm left with.
And advancing Osteoarthritis from it all.

You want more?

And YES, I wondered for years how would I be today if I had NOT done the major hip job...But as we know surgery can't be undone.
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Still no name for the "pharma drug" that was so devastating?

Again I ask: What would have been your prospects if you had NOT had the surgery? Leg would have been fine?

Also, did some surgeon actually force you to have the surgery and get all this damage? Or was this your own choice.
 
Caroline13 said:
No, I've Never made a homeopathic remedy. I would not know where to start, I buy them and they are very affordable.
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Then you are being ripped off.

While Arth has explained the classic method of making remedies, here's a faster and cheaper way:

1. Go to the kitchen tap.
2. Turn it on and put some water in a glass. How much doesn't matter. Turn it off.
3. You now have a perfect homeopathic remedy in the glass, at all strengths.

So if you paid more than your water rates for it, you got ripped off.
 
Most homoeopathic remedies are bought in the form pills. In order to produce homoeopathic pills, you need a supply of blank pills, and then you take the homoeopathic solution that you made earlier and spray it on the pills. Now they are homoeopathic.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Then you are being ripped off.

While Arth has explained the classic method of making remedies, here's a faster and cheaper way:

1. Go to the kitchen tap.
2. Turn it on and put some water in a glass. How much doesn't matter. Turn it off.
3. You now have a perfect homeopathic remedy in the glass, at all strengths.
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You also need to write the name of the remedy you want on a piece of paper and put it under the glass. This is what is known as a “paper remedy”.
 
Caroline13 said:
I don't buy stats as MOST are manipulated by and for the stat takers...I don't care about stats. I'm crippled from hip replacement and boy did I read the stats pre surgery.
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Finster said:
Really? Did the stats say that 100% of hip replacements were 100% successful for 100% of patients?
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I think she may be claiming that reading the stats caused the damage. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
 
I have posted some good information - recommending Trisha Greenhalgh's book a couple of times; describing the flaws and dangers in what has been said about under-active thyroids and the well-known inefficacies of anti-depressants in treating them, not to mention the dangers of taking any form of thyroid medication without regular blood tests. Not to mention the dangers of mistaking one diagnosis for another or the conflation of 2 diagnoses. However, that has all been ignored. I wonder why?
 
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Allopathic Medicine!

All the Benefit of the Placebo Effect!

With the the Added Bonus of Active Ingredients!
 
steenkh said:
Most homoeopathic remedies are bought in the form pills. In order to produce homoeopathic pills, you need a supply of blank pills, and then you take the homoeopathic solution that you made earlier and spray it on the pills. Now they are homoeopathic.
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Or - and I am not making this up, put one of your pre-prepared tablets into a bottle with your blank pills and leave for a little while. Or even just put a bottle of your remedy next to one of blanks. All accepted ways of preparing a remedy.
 
Norman Alexander said:
At this point, homeopaths love to trot out the "memory of water" argument. The dilution water is supposed to retain the "memory" of the remedy that was dissolved in it from dozens of rinses ago. It has to do this, as there is no other explanation why the potion works is useless! ;)
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That's almost sensible compared to the reality that it's normally the "memory of sugar" of what was originally in the water (or alcohol), which might not even have been water or alcohol soluable anyway, washed out thirty odd times and then allowed to evaporate. Of course that's assuming the pills weren't 'activated' by grafting in which case it's the sugar's memory of being told about something that was washed out of water by another sugar pill that was told about it by some water that evaporated.
 
Darat said:
Or - and I am not making this up, put one of your pre-prepared tablets into a bottle with your blank pills and leave for a little while. Or even just put a bottle of your remedy next to one of blanks. All accepted ways of preparing a remedy.
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They call that “grafting”, in case anyone wants to search for it.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
That's almost sensible compared to the reality that it's normally the "memory of sugar" of what was originally in the water (or alcohol), which might not even have been water or alcohol soluable anyway, washed out thirty odd times and then allowed to evaporate. Of course that's assuming the pills weren't 'activated' by grafting in which case it's the sugar's memory of being told about something that was washed out of water by another sugar pill that was told about it by some water that evaporated.
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“The Hearsay of Lactose.”
 
Caroline13 said:
I'm not a homeopathic doctor for starters. And it's all about "like cures like"...look it up.
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That's a misrepresentation, albeit one popular with homeopths themselves as it 'sounds sort of sensible' the actual claim of homeopathy is that "superficially similar symptoms reported in an uncontrolled & anecdotal survey cures like". Ironically given that cranks like to accuse real medicine of only suppressing symptoms & claim their particular brand of woo is holistic, homeopathy is all about symptoms, the fact that a symptom might be provoked by a substance in 'proving' for entirely different reasons than why it appears in an illness or condition is ignored. Things have moved on a little since Hahnemann made it all up in the 1790's, that might have an acceptable assumption then, it is not now.

There are plenty of people on here who do know how homeopathy is claimed to work, because they've bothered to research it.
 
Mojo said:
They call that “grafting”, in case anyone wants to search for it.
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I find that explaining "grafting" & then letting someone look it up for themselves to confirm that it is genuinely part of mainstream homeopathy is one of the more effective ways of making someone who's sitting on the fence but reachable realise that it is just a scam. I figure at worst, if they do decide they want to knowingly take a placebo at least they can make their own and pay less money to 'Big Woo'.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Then you are being ripped off.

While Arth has explained the classic method of making remedies, here's a faster and cheaper way:

1. Go to the kitchen tap.
2. Turn it on and put some water in a glass. How much doesn't matter. Turn it off.
3. You now have a perfect homeopathic remedy in the glass, at all strengths.

So if you paid more than your water rates for it, you got ripped off.
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A more 'authentic" way. Albeit more wasteful of water

1. Take a bottle and put something in it. Doesn't matter what, homeopaths have used everything from duck liver to pieces of the Berlin Wall.

2. Fill with water from the faucet. Cap the bottle & give it a shake

3. Pour it all (substance included) away then refill the bottle, shake it again & pour away.

4. Repeat about thirty times, sixty if you want it really strong

5. Ignore the water and take a sugar or lactose pill.


To be fair, the techniques used by homeopaths to produce their 'cures' do have a place in science, it's just that like so many things they get confused by terminology. In a real lab it's called "Washing Up".


Okay
 
P.J. Denyer said:
That's a misrepresentation, albeit one popular with homeopths themselves as it 'sounds sort of sensible' the actual claim of homeopathy is that "superficially similar symptoms reported in an uncontrolled & anecdotal survey cures like". Ironically given that cranks like to accuse real medicine of only suppressing symptoms & claim their particular brand of woo is holistic, homeopathy is all about symptoms, the fact that a symptom might be provoked by a substance in 'proving' for entirely different reasons than why it appears in an illness or condition is ignored. Things have moved on a little since Hahnemann made it all up in the 1790's, that might have an acceptable assumption then, it is not now.

There are plenty of people on here who do know how homeopathy is claimed to work, because they've bothered to research it.
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I just love the assumption made by homeopathy apologists that the rest of us have never checked out how it is claimed to work and what the underlying "principles" are supposed to be, meaning that we have clearly "misunderstood" something.

It's nearly as good as the assumption that all healthcare systems are the Merkinanian one.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
I just love the assumption made by homeopathy apologists that the rest of us have never checked out how it is claimed to work and what the underlying "principles" are supposed to be, meaning that we have clearly "misunderstood" something.
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Some of us also know the history, and the "theory" behind the various Materia Medica and Repertory references.

Hint: it's a library-card system for imaginary diseases and nonsensical remedies. More people getting rich off this are the unscrupulous developers selling these as reputable databases.

And please don't get real scientists started on the homeopathic remedy proving thing. They don't usually swear, but for this they will make exceptions.
 
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