Allopathic Medicine!!!

[ponderingturtle]

Plenty of damage from the joint replacements...Have you had any? And people do die on the Operating Tables during surgeries.

Sure, and people die driving to the hospital for them. I know my mother would barely be able to walk if walk at all if she had kept her original knees.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Have I had any what?? Damage? I'm not sure what hip replacement "damage" is.

Well the need to cut the bone out and such is certainly damage that hurts and will need to heal.

 

[Finster]

I don't buy stats as MOST are manipulated by and for the stat takers...I don't care about stats. I'm crippled from hip replacement and boy did I read the stats pre surgery.

Really? Did the stats say that 100% of hip replacements were 100% successful for 100% of patients?

 

[The Greater Fool]

I've nearly died twice on the operating table in operations that are considered safe outpatient procedures.

I've had a few bad effects from drugs.

I guess this means that I should no longer trust doctors (Big Med?) or drugs (Big Pharma)? But I should trust homeopathic Doctors (Big Woo?) and their 'drugs' (Big Water)?

I'm so confused.

 

[ahhell]

Some on this forum would have denied him the benefits of modern medicine. **** you all!

Congrats on the new grandnephew. Hooray he's doing well. How's Mom doing? Sounds like Mom or Baby had issues that they needed to take the baby out early.

Who are you fussing about though? Huh? WTF? What idiots on the forum caused you to complain?

Basically my first thought but then I saw:

Allopathic and surgeries etc definitely have their place in the health world. And they can save lives, help bring life in and can cause deaths.

Glad your little baby made it and has a good health life ahead.

There are 1000's, maybe millions of stories out there and I know how damaged I am from a surgery in my late years, hip replacement. My daughter had to give birth to a 8 month still born so there are mega amounts of stories we can tell. You know what a still born is? Giving birth to a dead baby. Baby Jack had a memorial service...

And amazing how the word idiot is used so much on this forum...

And for whatever it's worth, I was born in the kitchen in my parent's apt in 1938 with an MD handy. Millions have been born at home, in the woods, and every place before modern hospitals.

Although, I would appreciate less rancor and insults too.

What were the rates of infancy deaths then? How many mothers dies giving birth?

This and this:

In the words of the great philosopher Tim Minchin:

Alternative medicine has either not been proved to work, or has been proved not to work. You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work?

Medicine.

The human mind is such that we generally prefer anecdotes and stories to actual evidence, especially when those stories back up what we already believe. Yes, surgeries go wrong, yes folks die in hospitals, sometimes as a direct result of the interventions. Also, our life expectancy is roughly double what it was for the first few thousand years of history and civilization, mostly because there are a lot fewer babies and children dying because of "allopathic" medicine. I'd probably be a deformed cripple now if not for such surgeries. So, I guess that proves they always work. Well, I am a little deformed and crippled.

Caroline,

I'm sorry your surgery went bad. I'd be curious how the statistics for such surgeries compare to craps. I'm pretty sure its not a crap shoot.

 

[Caroline13]

I've nearly died twice on the operating table in operations that are considered safe outpatient procedures.

I've had a few bad effects from drugs.

I guess this means that I should no longer trust doctors (Big Med?) or drugs (Big Pharma)? But I should trust homeopathic Doctors (Big Woo?) and their 'drugs' (Big Water)?

I'm so confused.

Oh I ended up in the ER in the 80's from a pharma drug, that was my turningpoint on the heavy duty drug world... And 2 surgeries and if I ever go fr a knife again, I need a major head examine.

30 yrs of sciatic nerve damage from hysterectomy when I was in my early 40's.

10yrs+ of body damage from hip replacement at 72.

That's it and want NO MORE. Thank goodness I'm retired and now need to count on friends/family to get where I have an appt.

And Yes, I do all I can to avoid major drugs and surgeries NOW.

 

[Caroline13]

Basically my first thought but then I saw:


Although, I would appreciate less rancor and insults too.



This and this:



The human mind is such that we generally prefer anecdotes and stories to actual evidence, especially when those stories back up what we already believe. Yes, surgeries go wrong, yes folks die in hospitals, sometimes as a direct result of the interventions. Also, our life expectancy is roughly double what it was for the first few thousand years of history and civilization, mostly because there are a lot fewer babies and children dying because of "allopathic" medicine. I'd probably be a deformed cripple now if not for such surgeries. So, I guess that proves they always work. Well, I am a little deformed and crippled.

Caroline,

I'm sorry your surgery went bad. I'd be curious how the statistics for such surgeries compare to craps. I'm pretty sure its not a crap shoot.

They are all crapshoots. you go under and HOPE you wake up and how you will turn out from the surgery you have to deal with.

 

[Caroline13]

I've nearly died twice on the operating table in operations that are considered safe outpatient procedures.

I've had a few bad effects from drugs.

I guess this means that I should no longer trust doctors (Big Med?) or drugs (Big Pharma)? But I should trust homeopathic Doctors (Big Woo?) and their 'drugs' (Big Water)?

I'm so confused.

Homeopathy does not reverse joint damage, but it can help manage a lot. It's not toxic and can take some time and some can work immediately.

What can also work to prevent joint surgery is Regenerative Medicine, aka Dextrose Prolothereapy, PRP and Stem Cells. I've had some sessions but insurance does NOT pay, it can work and would put a lot of surgeons out of business. Check out https://www.getprolo.com/

These providers are all over the world.

There would still be plenty of surgeries done, just LESS elective ones if Regenerative Medicine was handled by the health/sick insurance companies.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Homeopathy does not reverse joint damage, but it can help manage a lot

So what is the mother tincture for arthritis?

 

[arthwollipot]

Homeopathy does not reverse joint damage, but it can help manage a lot. It's not toxic and can take some time and some can work immediately.

Do you know why homeopathy is not toxic? It's because there is literally no active compound in it to be toxic. It's a sugar pill, and water. There are literally no other ingredients - they have all been diluted away to nothingness. A sugar pill, and water. That's all.

Homeopathy: there's nothing in it.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Oh I ended up in the ER in the 80's from a pharma drug, that was my turningpoint on the heavy duty drug world... And 2 surgeries and if I ever go fr a knife again, I need a major head examine.

I don't believe you have ever identified this "pharma drug" that put you in ER.

30 yrs of sciatic nerve damage from hysterectomy when I was in my early 40's.

That would have been in the 1970's, yes?

10yrs+ of body damage from hip replacement at 72.

What damage was that? Degenerative bone issues? Also, how did you feel BEFORE the replacement procedure, and what do you think you would feel if you did not have it.

That's it and want NO MORE. Thank goodness I'm retired and now need to count on friends/family to get where I have an appt.

And Yes, I do all I can to avoid major drugs and surgeries NOW.

Don't we all. Unless you think drugs and surgeries are actually desired by mainstream patients? You can do without them if you like. Nobody is going to kidnap you and force drugs down your neck, or drag you into an operating theatre against your will. Despite Trump's best efforts, the USA is not yet a big gulag.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Homeopathy does not reverse joint damage, but it can help manage a lot. It's not toxic

Arthwollipot has already explained this to you. In Arsenicum album 30C (Aa30C) the homeopathic drug to "fight Covid-19" there are no actual arsenic molecules in the "medicine" as they are diluted out of existence.

A Homeopathic Defence Against COVID-19 Is No Defence at All
https://science.thewire.in/the-scie...-arsenicum-album-succusion-ministry-of-ayush/

"Starting with a “mother tincture” that has 200 grams of arsenic trioxide in 1 litre of liquid, the 30C potency medicine has one molecule of the active material present in a volume equivalent to that of 1 million Suns. In terms of the active material, an individual is consuming zero molecules."
Explain to us how homeopathic arsenic "medicine" works, if there is no actual arsenic left? You can't, can you?

 

[Norman Alexander]

At this point, homeopaths love to trot out the "memory of water" argument. The dilution water is supposed to retain the "memory" of the remedy that was dissolved in it from dozens of rinses ago. It has to do this, as there is no other explanation why the potion works is useless!

 

[arthwollipot]

At this point, homeopaths love to trot out the "memory of water" argument. The dilution water is supposed to retain the "memory" of the remedy that was dissolved in it from dozens of rinses ago. It has to do this, as there is no other explanation why the potion works is useless!

If water has a memory, a trained person should be able to tell the difference between a homeopathic remedy and plain water. Why has nobody ever done that?

Because there's literally nothing in it.

 

[Caroline13]

Arthwollipot has already explained this to you. In Arsenicum album 30C (Aa30C) the homeopathic drug to "fight Covid-19" there are no actual arsenic molecules in the "medicine" as they are diluted out of existence.

A Homeopathic Defence Against COVID-19 Is No Defence at All
https://science.thewire.in/the-scie...-arsenicum-album-succusion-ministry-of-ayush/

"Starting with a “mother tincture” that has 200 grams of arsenic trioxide in 1 litre of liquid, the 30C potency medicine has one molecule of the active material present in a volume equivalent to that of 1 million Suns. In terms of the active material, an individual is consuming zero molecules."
Explain to us how homeopathic arsenic "medicine" works, if there is no actual arsenic left? You can't, can you?

I'm not a homeopathic doctor for starters. And it's all about "like cures like"...look it up.

 

[Caroline13]

If water has a memory, a trained person should be able to tell the difference between a homeopathic remedy and plain water. Why has nobody ever done that?

Because there's literally nothing in it.

You speak mumbo jumbo most of the time...I guess it's something for you to say. If homeopathy does not interest you, why keep reading about it.

And this is NOT the homeopathic thread.

 

[arthwollipot]

I'm not a homeopathic doctor for starters. And it's all about "like cures like"...look it up.

We have. "Like cures like" is nonscientific nonsense that predates even the germ theory of disease. Do you believe in germs, Caroline?

The other principle of homeopathy that you appear to not be aware of or are ignoring is that the more dilute something is, the stronger it gets. Even when it is diluted so much that there is no chance of even a single molecule of the mother tincture being present. The strongest substance is no substance at all, according to homeopathy. Can you not see how patently absurd that is?

 

[welshdean]

Being present only in homeopathic quantities makes your grand-nephew far more potent.

Nommed.
Rare I nominate, this is about number 5 or 6(ish) so around 1 every 3.5 years, this post just deserved it.

 

[bruto]

If water had a memory we wouldn't have to buy homeopathic medicines at all. All the water on earth would remember everything. You'd get as good a result dipping into the ocean.

 

[arthwollipot]

If water had a memory we wouldn't have to buy homeopathic medicines at all. All the water on earth would remember everything. You'd get as good a result dipping into the ocean.

Ah, but remember that a homeopathic remedy has to be succussed in order to work. The ocean hasn't been shaken 10 times in each of the cardinal directions and struck 10 times against a leather-bound Bible.