Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[Tom Palven]

If he is able to come up with a link to some shonky CT website to support his assertion, I already have a fact based site cued up to shoot whatever he comes up with down in flames.

It is surely fruitless to question dogma guarded by The Skeptic's Inquisition, but I'm a glutton for punishment during these boring times.

Every day, the final cause of death for multitudes of people is dehydration from C. diff.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/symptoms-causes/syc-20351691

However, C. diff is ignored on death certificates, whereas in Florida, in one example, perhaps more enthusiastic than others, the cause o death for a motorcycle accident victim was listed as CV-19.

Will you refuse to connect a couple of dots and draw some implications from this?

I'm not holding my breath.

I'm submitting this Snopes link so I can ask you why do you think they pulled it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/

But, there are other links:
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-ma...death-raising-doubts-over-health-data-1518994

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Says the person who, when asked about DNA, called it "preservative, plain and simple," then ran away from the thread.

That was pretty funny. And illustrative. "I didn't look up the acid but it's probably a preservative..."

Oh please there are exceptions everywhere...Some people are born with no legs or arms.

Some people are born with no brain. Anencephaly is fairly rare, however, and modern medicine has made it even rarer by recommending women of child-bearing age add a small amount of folic acid to their diet.

It is far more common for people to be born with a functioning brain that later falls out of whack through neglect, disuse, or disease. While some disease has been mitigated, and the COVID-19 vaccines are part of that, neglect and disuse often go untreated.

 

[Foster Zygote]

It is surely fruitless to question dogma guarded by The Skeptic's Inquisition, but I'm a glutton for punishment during these boring times.

You still haven't explained away the overwhelming scientific consensus contradicting you. You sound just like young earth creationists who, unable to counter science, resort to denigrating it as a dogma.

Every day, the final cause of death for multitudes of people is dehydration from C. diff.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/symptoms-causes/syc-20351691

However, C. diff is ignored on death certificates...

You know what would have really been helpful? A link to a source confirming your claim. I did a cursory search and immediately turned up a 2015 CIDRAP report stating that nearly 30,000 dealths are directly attributable to C. diff annually.

...whereas in Florida, in one example, perhaps more enthusiastic than others, the cause o death for a motorcycle accident victim was listed as CV-19.

Did you even bother the read the Snopes article? The traffic fatality was mistakenly listed among COVID19 deaths, but was then removed from the tally after the mistake was discovered.

Will you refuse to connect a couple of dots and draw some implications from this?

I'm not holding my breath.

What dots? You have shown one dot among half a million. One anecdote doesn't trump scientific consensus. Do you really think that a list of 500,000 deaths should be expected to be totally free of error? It would be weirder if the list didn't have a few anomalies.

Sorry, one anecdote about an error doesn't prove that there's a global conspiracy by the world-wide healthcare community to convince people that a phony virus really exists.

 

[Craig4]

Will you refuse to connect a couple of dots and draw some implications from this?

This is the trouble with you people, you think all dots have connections. Some dots and just dots sitting their on their own. Some dots are parts of unrelated pictures. Sometimes a dot is just a dot.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

It is surely fruitless to question dogma guarded by The Skeptic's Inquisition, but I'm a glutton for punishment during these boring times.

Every day, the final cause of death for multitudes of people is dehydration from C. diff.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/symptoms-causes/syc-20351691

However, C. diff is ignored on death certificates, whereas in Florida, in one example, perhaps more enthusiastic than others, the cause o death for a motorcycle accident victim was listed as CV-19.

Will you refuse to connect a couple of dots and draw some implications from this?

I'm not holding my breath.

I'm submitting this Snopes link so I can ask you why do you think they pulled it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/

But, there are other links:
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-ma...death-raising-doubts-over-health-data-1518994

And the Snopes piece linked to says that this death was removed from the Covid tally.

What point are you trying to make?

And C difficile infection is pretty well known and has been for some time. It doesn't look like Covid, clinically, and certainly they show up differently when specifically tested for.

Are you arguing that every other microbial or viral infection should be checked for, even if a Covid test is positive? Or what? It isn't clear from your posts so far.

 

[bruto]

It strikes me that even if the allegation about C difficile has some validity, it's meaningless. Of course, when a person is actually really dying, various infections and secondary illnesses may be considered the immediate cause of the death, but it would be pretty stupid to pretend that the actual cause of the death was whatever happened to finish the job.

It's like saying that if a cop shoots you in your driveway, the cause of death is not the cop, nor the gun, nor the bullet that came from the gun, but the stopping of the heart. True in one sense, nonsense in another.

Comparing this to the fairly well documented tendency of Covid-19 to kill people who are not in the inevitably final stages of dying, who could be expected not to die right away if not for that, constitutes victim blaming of a blatant and shameful sort.

 

[smartcooky]

It is surely fruitless to question dogma guarded by The Skeptic's Inquisition, but I'm a glutton for punishment during these boring times.

Every day, the final cause of death for multitudes of people is dehydration from C. diff.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/symptoms-causes/syc-20351691

However, C. diff is ignored on death certificates, whereas in Florida, in one example, perhaps more enthusiastic than others, the cause o death for a motorcycle accident victim was listed as CV-19.

Will you refuse to connect a couple of dots and draw some implications from this?

I'm not holding my breath.

I'm submitting this Snopes link so I can ask you why do you think they pulled it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/

But, there are other links:
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-ma...death-raising-doubts-over-health-data-1518994

Nothing you have posted here supports your assertion, which I remind you was...

"The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses,"

... and assertion which you subsequently stood by

As is usual for CT's you dodge, weave, obfuscate, prevaricate, inveigle and procrastinate. You post opinion (and try to pass it off as fact), and you post unsubstantiated BS, but never any evidence.

At this time, your assertion remains unsupported by any evidence at all. Post evidence to support your claim, or withdraw the claim - those are your only options. Time to put up or shut up!

 

[beachnut]

what dots?

It is surely fruitless to question dogma guarded by The Skeptic's Inquisition, but I'm a glutton for punishment during these boring times.

Every day, the final cause of death for multitudes of people is dehydration from C. diff.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/symptoms-causes/syc-20351691

However, C. diff is ignored on death certificates, whereas in Florida, in one example, perhaps more enthusiastic than others, the cause o death for a motorcycle accident victim was listed as CV-19.

Will you refuse to connect a couple of dots and draw some implications from this?

I'm not holding my breath.

I'm submitting this Snopes link so I can ask you why do you think they pulled it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/florida-motorcyclist-covid-death/

But, there are other links:
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-ma...death-raising-doubts-over-health-data-1518994

You posted proof Covid is killing people worldwide, back in July. That debunks the claims of hoax.

The sources you presented, don't seem to support the point you did not make. Maybe the Headlines were confusing.

500,000 more people died in the past year than usual? That debunks claims of Hoax.

This thread topic is Covid Conspiracy Theories, it appears you believe in some Covid Conspiracy Theories. Can you list the Covid Conspiracy Theories you believe in?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The half million dead are in on the scam.

 

[Tom Palven]

Nothing you have posted here supports your assertion, which I remind you was...

"The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses,"

... and assertion which you subsequently stood by

As is usual for CT's you dodge, weave, obfuscate, prevaricate, inveigle and procrastinate. You post opinion (and try to pass it off as fact), and you post unsubstantiated BS, but never any evidence.

At this time, your assertion remains unsupported by any evidence at all.

As expected, you failed to comment on the C. diff-Covid parallel, and jumped to a personal attack.

No problem.

It's just that discussing the possibility that CV is not all it was cracked up to be, and the "cures' have been much more destructive than the disease, with Keepers of the CV Faith, is like discussing the possibility that Jesus's father was not a supernatural being from Outer Space, with a Born-Again Christian.

A mind-boggling study in abject futility.

 

[Caroline13]

1. Either COVID-19 is real or it's not.

2.Those people with those conditions would still be alive had they not contracted COVID-19.

3. COVID-19 has killed "healthy" people of all ages.

And over decades flues have killed plenty of people.

 

[Caroline13]

And the so called Skeptics around here salivate with Lord Fauci's B.S.

I thought skeptic means to Question, Doubt, Is it True or Not?, etc etc....

But here, not what I read.

 

[varwoche]

My bingo card sits on the verge. Come on folks, just say it. You know you want to.

Sheeple! There, that's not so hard.

Suffice it to say Caroline, you have no concept what skepticism is about.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

And the so called Skeptics around here salivate with Lord Fauci's B.S.

I thought skeptic means to Question, Doubt, Is it True or Not?, etc etc....
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Yes, it is. Then, when we have questioned and been presented with evidence, go where the evidence leads us. The evidence leads to masks being effective, vaccines working, COVID19 being deadly and not just "flu" and vitamin megadoses being about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Your problem is that because we aren't accepting your unsubstantiated nonsense pulled from cranks like that scum sucking AIDS denialist you quoted or the all around moron Mercola you want to throw a hissy fit and claim we aren't really sceptics.

Tell me something Caroline, if you are the Real Sceptic^TM here, why do you run away from people's questions? Why do you outright refuse to do any research on anything? Why did you claim that DNA was obviously a preservative? Why do you keep seagull posting and avoiding hard questions?

 

[Steve]

And over decades flues have killed plenty of people.

And when people are given the opportunity to reduce the number of annual flu deaths by getting a vaccine many take advantage of the opportunity. There is ample evidence that the flu vaccine reduces infections and deaths.

 

[smartcooky]

As expected, you failed to comment on the C. diff-Covid parallel...

Your C Diff links do not support your claim - 30,000 people die from C Diff in the US every year... not 500,000.

Even if ALL the C Diff deaths in the US last year were among those 500,000 Covid deaths.. that is just 6%... not "The great majority" you are claiming.. your claim is still an epic fail.

and jumped to a personal attack.

Being told your assertion is unsubstantiated is not a personal attack

Demanding you supply evidence to support you claims is not a personal attack

Making you unconformable about claiming BS is not a personal attack

You may feel like you are being attacked, but that is your problem, not mine or anyone else's.

 

[Pixel42]

I thought skeptic means to Question, Doubt, Is it True or Not?, etc etc.....

Yes, it means not taking anyone's word for a claim, especially when it's what you want to believe, but requiring a convincing case to be made before accepting it.

You have not even attempted to make any case, let alone a convincing one, for the things you believe. So you are not a sceptic, and appear to be adamantly determined to never become one.

 

[Steve]

The half million dead are in on the scam.

This irritates me and several here are doing it. Numbers given as if only USA deaths are meaningful. Worldwide COVID 19 deaths as of today are 2,481,419.

 

[Steve]

And the so called Skeptics around here salivate with Lord Fauci's B.S.

I thought skeptic means to Question, Doubt, Is it True or Not?, etc etc....

But here, not what I read.

Well you are half right. An equally, perhaps more, important part of skepticism once a person has doubted, questioned, and investigated a claim, is provisional acceptance a claim that is properly supported by evidence. The claims and statements you have made here have been unsupported by any type of evidence. Fauci's claims and statements, on the other hand, are well supported by science that is available for anyone to review.

 

[smartcooky]

Well you are half right. An equally, perhaps more, important part of skepticism once a person has doubted, questioned, and investigated a claim, is provisional acceptance a claim that is properly supported by evidence. The claims and statements you have made here have been unsupported by any type of evidence. Fauci's claims and statements, on the other hand, are well supported by science that is available for anyone to review.

You know better than this. CT and woo woo merchants "don't need no stinkin' evidence!"