Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

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To stop Caroline13's next bogus claim, it also isn't about population densities.

The three biggest US cities are

New York City, NY (Population: 8,622,357)
Los Angeles, CA (Population: 4,085,014)
Chicago, IL (Population: 2,670,406)


Meanwhile
Sydney, NSW population is 5.23 million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney
Melbourne / Victoria population is 4.936 million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne

What its really about is the difference between national leaders who listen to scientists and medical experts and follow their recommendations, and those that ignore the scientists and medical experts while claiming to know everything about everything.
 
Totally agree on both counts.

A heathy immune system does not make one impervious to disease, and even older people with diabetes and heart problems can have healthy immune systems, and these people VERY RARELY DIE OF COVID.

The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses.

1. Either COVID-19 is real or it's not.

2.Those people with those conditions would still be alive had they not contracted COVID-19.

3. COVID-19 has killed "healthy" people of all ages.
 
And Australia has just about 25Million in the total country, and the U.S. has over 300Million, can't work the same.

CA has over 40Million just in our state. You can't get the story right with a general statement.

As a Californian here is a general statement:

Our state is run by selfish morons because the Governor and the State Legislature is elected by people who are selfish morons. We never had a 100% lockdown like Australia, which might have helped. The problem is that we border Arizona, a non-science state, and our largest industry is Agriculture, which is 50% seasonal labor that splits its time between the Central and Salinas Vallies, and Arizona. Then we had individual counties decide on what level of enforcement to apply, and we had Sheriffs state publicly that their officers would not issue citations.

So no, Australia is not a good comparison because they're not self-righteous idiots.

I root for the San Andreas Fault.
 
As a Californian here is a general statement:

Our state is run by selfish morons because the Governor and the State Legislature is elected by people who are selfish morons. We never had a 100% lockdown like Australia, which might have helped. The problem is that we border Arizona, a non-science state, and our largest industry is Agriculture, which is 50% seasonal labor that splits its time between the Central and Salinas Vallies, and Arizona. Then we had individual counties decide on what level of enforcement to apply, and we had Sheriffs state publicly that their officers would not issue citations.

So no, Australia is not a good comparison because they're not self-righteous idiots.

I root for the San Andreas Fault.

Note: You realize you just called me, my daughters, and yourself as Self-Righteous Idiots...

Yet my daughter#4 made me quarantine when I moved her from NJ to San Diego... and she was hyper-safe on Covid prevention.

My other CA daughters, #1 and #3 are also hyper on Covid prevention... #3 is a nurse...

oops, #2 is AZ, but she has social distanced, and her husband is a PJ, who get checked for Covid...

Caroline13 is a conspiracy theorists who source are quackery at best.

Are we Self-Righteous Idiots... No, Caroline13 is a conspiracy theorist
 
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Gee, it sure is nice living in a totalitarian dystopia, where we don't even have to wear masks and can travel freely because people aren't dying.

We went on a holiday to Canberra. (I live in Sydney). It's almost 100% normal again.....well as normal as Canberra can be. :D
 
Hi Tom. Are you going to link us to where you found this BS?


I stand by my statement that "The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses," but am not allowed to provide links at this point.
 
I already told you how to post a link. If you have a link that provides evidence that nearly half a million Americans were within hours or days of dying from something else when they died of Covid, just post it with the dots replaced by spaces. Evidence would be, for example, figures which show that the number of deaths last year were no greater than the average number of deaths per year.
 
I stand by my statement that "The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses," but am not allowed to provide links at this point.

A poor excuse... Do what Pixel42 suggested, or post the link without the http:// or https:// or www at the beginning. We are clever enough to work it out.
 
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I stand by my statement that "The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses," but am not allowed to provide links at this point.

Add a couple spaces at appropriate places in the link, then, as a way around that, preferably with a headline, short description, and/or quote from the link to sum up the main takeaways.

On the subject, though... here's a link to a study in Nature and the abstract from it.

Years of life lost to COVID-19 in 81 countries

Understanding the mortality impact of COVID-19 requires not only counting the dead, but analyzing how premature the deaths are. We calculate years of life lost (YLL) across 81 countries due to COVID-19 attributable deaths, and also conduct an analysis based on estimated excess deaths. We find that over 20.5 million years of life have been lost to COVID-19 globally. As of January 6, 2021, YLL in heavily affected countries are 2–9 times the average seasonal influenza; three quarters of the YLL result from deaths in ages below 75 and almost a third from deaths below 55; and men have lost 45% more life years than women. The results confirm the large mortality impact of COVID-19 among the elderly. They also call for heightened awareness in devising policies that protect vulnerable demographics losing the largest number of life-years.

Also, a simple sentence from the results part, to sum it up.

The average years of life lost per death is 16 years.
 
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I already told you how to post a link. If you have a link that provides evidence that nearly half a million Americans were within hours or days of dying from something else when they died of Covid, just post it with the dots replaced by spaces. Evidence would be, for example, figures which show that the number of deaths last year were no greater than the average number of deaths per year.

If he is able to come up with a link to some shonky CT website to support his assertion, I already have a fact based site cued up to shoot whatever he comes up with down in flames.
 
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As a new member of International Skeptics Forum, I'd like to start by saying I'm in wholehearted agreement with those who are skeptical about Covid-19.

The Covid Plague seems like the greatest, (and most extraordinarily-documented, both anecdotally and otherwise), fiction ever produced

'Covid doesn't exist'.

And I've heard a rumor that deaths attributed to cancer and heart disease have been reported to have gone down as those attributed to Covid have gone up, which seems suspicious, but consider me to be a conspiracy nut, because I don't have a link to provide, even if it were allowed.

'Covid doesn't exist, and deaths from cancer and heart disease have gone down'.

A heathy immune system does not make one impervious to disease, and even older people with diabetes and heart problems can have healthy immune systems, and these people VERY RARELY DIE OF COVID.

The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses.

'Covid exists, and people can die from it. Many people with cancer and heart disease have died, and Covid can contribute to those deaths'.

Tom Palven, this is what happens when you get your ideas from CT sites. The claims contradict each other. Then you get into a mess like this, when you trot out what you've been told to say, on a forum where all your posts are visible, so the contradictions are clear for all to see.
This is why members here are advising you to get your information from more reliable sources, and to check the evidence provided. You will then have a better understanding, and will not fall prey to dishonest and manipulative narratives from the likes of David Icke and RFK jr. You'll also be happier: these sites operate by working people into a state of fear and anger, which stops them being able to process reasoned argument.
Here's a list of claims about the Covid vaccines. Perhaps you could indicate which ones you believe,what evidence led you to that belief, and how you reconcile the contradictions?

The vaccines contain microchips, so Bill Gates can track and/or control us.
The vaccines will kill everyone instantly. (Note how these two cannot both be true).
The vaccines will kill us in a few months or years.
(Contradicts the previous two claims).
The vaccines are untested.
The vaccines will alter your DNA.
(If they haven't been tested, how do they know they will alter DNA? Contradiction again).
The vaccines are Satanic.

Covid doesn't exist.
Covid was bio-engineered.
(Again, can't both be true).
The Evil Them want to depopulate the earth.
The Evil Them are exaggerating the death toll: no-one is dying, and the hospitals are empty.

This being a sceptics' forum, the idea here is to examine your beliefs, and consider how you arrived at your conclusions. With CTs, the basic choice is 'evidence or emotion'? Which is yours?
 
I stand by my statement that "The great majority whose lives may be shortened by hours or days by CV-19 are those with very advanced stages of cancer, heart disease or other terminal illnesses," but am not allowed to provide links at this point.

Got a source? No, you make it up. Your sources are BS.


What other conspiracy theories you an expert on? 9/11 or Bigfoot?
 
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I already have a fact based site cued up to shoot whatever he comes up with down in flames.

I shudder to contemplate scrutinizing that site when the time comes, but in the meantime, could you give us a hint as to who funds that site, and whether you've considered the rampant GIGO phenomenon?
 
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I shudder to contemplate scrutinizing that site when the time comes, but in the meantime, could you give us a hint as to who funds that site, and whether you've considered the rampant GIGO phenomenon?

Oh no, I didn't come down in the last rainfall... I've been around too long to fall into that trap. Lets just say its fact-based, and is not funded by anyone.

You should be careful here, you are a rank amateur trying to foot it with professionals... you are liable to get burned if you're not careful.... very careful.

Now, you have made an unsupported assertion, which you claim to stand by, but you have not supplied any evidence in support of that assertion. That might be acceptable in the CT Woo Woo world to which you belong, but here in the real word, that is not how things work. On this forum, if you make a claim, you back it up with evidence. If you cannot provide such evidence, you withdraw the claim... and if you don't, that is a black mark against you. Too many of those, and your credibility suffers, the way is it already suffering right now!
 
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Couple of posts moved to AAH because of too much negative personalisation. Remember your Membership Agreement - it applies to everyone equally. Please re-read Rule 12 and Rule 0.
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Tom, what you won't say tells us a lot.

COVID19 isn't a conspiracy involving hundreds of millions of people from nursing and med school students all the way up to the top Ph.D.s all over the world.

But that's the incredibly stupid implication of the conspiracy theory you're supporting. Being wrong doesn't make people stupid, and admitting error isn't an act to be ridiculed. But refusing to admit you're wrong out of sheer obstinacy...
 
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