angrysoba
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The so-called tolerant left. Oh, they tolerate gay marriage all right, but as soon as you say you think there should be mass ethnic cleansing and the establishment of an ethnostate, where does the tolerance go?
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The so-called tolerant left. Oh, they tolerate gay marriage all right, but as soon as you say you think there should be mass ethnic cleansing and the establishment of an ethnostate, where does the tolerance go?
dudalb
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Her latest remarks was a straw that broke the camel's back situation.
I think her Covid denialism was a much worse offense then a stupid political statement.
dudalb
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The real problem with the cancel culture mentality is they make it tough to criticise the left when they really do something stupoid..like the San Francisco's school board idiocy in removing schools for Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, which even many Liberals are denuncing as stupid.
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Again, you keep pretending it all boils down to this single social media post.
It doesn’t.
d4m10n
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For those of us who value Carano’s acting way more than her politics, why should we care that she believes stupid ******???
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Well, no. TOupee Fiasco's big parallel is, very obviously, swarthy immigrants.
Remember them? The guys he built a big wall to keep them out, and gummed up the refugee works, kidnapped their children, and stereotyped as subhuman super-violent rapists that were forming into giant ravenous armies every time he needed a convenient distraction to scare his bigoted base with?
And, coincidentally, the ones that he...how should I put this...concentrated into campuses where they were purposely denied clean food, health care, legal access, and the like?
Frankly, I'm still expecting the Biden administration will find at least one mass grave at one of these camps if they decide to look into matters.
Disney, via Marvel, actually provides us with another type of story, of an obnoxious failed actor who has seemingly ended up redeeming himself wildly - that man being Robert Downey Jr. Sadly, whatsherface has apparently decided that, rather than going on cleanup, she'd prefer to work with the laughably bad writer who is apparently unable to be physically attractive to his own wife, Ben Shapiro, whose last work was apparently a low-rated school shooting flick, although to be fair the school shooters were apparently the bad guys. I haven't watched it myself because I refuse to torture myself, so this is just what I've heard about it.
(Yeah, the wife part was low...like the moisture level of okay okay I'll stop
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Tim Allen 's well known for his conservatism, his last sitcom lasted a decent number of seasons. Kelsey Grammar's one as well, and they're talking about a Frasier reunion. Clint Eastwood did a comedy routine at the 2012 GOP convention and he can do what he wishes.
And all this assumes that, say, the actual people in charge (you know, the really rich guys that own the companies) are all wild-eyed libruls. I'd imagine some are and many more...aren't. And then there's the whole use of US military vehicles, footage, and so on for various action films. But they're there for the money.
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There is of course this little kerfuffle involving the New York Times, here is an opinion piece that was written and not published by the NYT and then leaked to and published by the New York Post. It will be interesting to see what happens to the author.
What I am linking to is Jerry Coyne's blog post on the affair...
https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2021...-of-the-paper-the-new-york-post-publishes-it/
What I am linking to is Jerry Coyne's blog post on the affair...
https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2021...-of-the-paper-the-new-york-post-publishes-it/
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This is what I consider another dodge on my specific question. Did bad things does not = Hitler. Policy wise, even in a worse case view, is just an extension of existing policy. IT SHOULD BE BETTER. I am not smart enough to figure out the logistics to make it so. The fact it hasn't been by both a Rep/Dem administration means that it is extremely complicated. Again, can you really compare it to policies enacted by Hitler in regards to Jews?
No honest person can. From your posts over time I know you understand this, although strive for something better. But reality requires us to view what has actually been done vs the worst version of how we can view it, no matter who controlled the situation. How something is talked is important but the underlying policy and how it is enforced is far more important.
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And if it was found to have been under the Obama administration, would you also accept comparisons to Hitler for him? I know your opinion of Obama is relatively low, but still I assume such comparisons would be a stretch, no? If his rhetoric was much better but the results were worse, where does the blame lie?
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If you have a problem with it, cancel your Disney+ and shoot them a tweet. If enough people do that she’ll be back on the show.
d4m10n
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Sounds like you're saying we've all got to participate in boycott culture. I suppose that's one approach...?
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I like how complaints about cancel culture end up being complaints about the existence of market forces within a capitalist society.
TragicMonkey
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The people who complain about "cancel culture" are basically complaining that other people's complaints are actually effective, unlike their own.
Sherkeu
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We should have a thread where everyone tries to say the most uncancellable statements. I bet we can find some semi-rational ways to cancel every one of them.
I bet you yourself could find 563 ways to cancel each one- all involving a red plastic slinky and an avocado pit.
Cain
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Hollywood will perfectly cater to rational/profitable interests. If that means having a blacklist, then so be it. What could go wrong? Let it be a lesson to any flunky screenwriter who wants to criticize "human rights abuses" in China. Be brave: fatten your pocketbook. Capitalism is an amoral system... so let it be your guide.
If "cancellation" leads to greater fame and enrichment, then maybe that's reason to reconsider it? After their Bush remarks, the Dixie Chicks won the Grammy for Best Album of the Year and became media darlings, but that hardly makes up for the death threats and nonsense.*
As for Carano, who cares what some meathead actress has to say? Prove her claims wrong. Mock her for being an idiot. Answering speech with speech.
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No. All you can actually do there is find some way to delude yourself that whatever nonsense you can come up with would actually result in a cancellation. Because if they don't actually get "cancelled", then it's not "cancelling" someone, it's just someone shooting the breeze.
And really that's what this whole thread has been about: a delusional exercise in redefining reality, where one can just imagine that something is actually a cancellation, so they can be dutifully offended by their own fiction.
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vote with your wallet wasn’t invented in 2021
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Did Depp lose out because of "the mob"? All I've seen of "the mob" on social media for the last year or so has been people a) defending Depp (#JusticeForJohnnyDepp being one of the more common hashtags) and b) calling for Amber Heard to be fired from various jobs. And yet Depp is the one losing work while Heard's employment doesn't seem to have been affected at all.
That seems to me like employers going against "the mob" in two different ways. Are you sure that's the example you want to use?
Sherkeu
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You know, I was really just being sarcastic about all the dumb things people get offended over. Literally anything could be offensive to someone. I have not read the thread and only saw the last post so perhaps just put my post in relation to TM's.
I'm also not on social media sites. This is the only place I post. Have never tweeted. nor do I want to. Just reading tidbits now and again here and in news reminds me I made the right choice. Delusional is a good word. Hooligans might be a better one.
I don't really care that someone actually gets "cancelled". It's the intent that matters. If I shoot you and you survive is the same intent as if I shoot you and you live. Only difference is my aim.
/probable off topic. I'll show myself out now.
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This should probably be in a different thread, but I don't buy the judgement at all. The judge should have recused himself. There are many conflicts of interest, including his son working for the same company as the journalist who made the allegations against Depp that Depp was suing over, alongside the journalist who made the allegations, and the judge's wife being in the same social circle as Heard's lawyer and the head of an association Heard is closely associated with. They're reported to have thrown Heard a party during the trial.
A key portion of her defence was that the fact that she had donated the entirety of her $5m divorce settlement to charity proved she wasn't a gold digger. This was accepted as fact simply because she said so. But documents have come to light which show that the only portion of it that was donated to charity was $100,000 that Depp himself paid directly to both of the named charities on her behalf. Heard then insisted that she be paid the money directly. Her lawyer has publicly admitted that Heard hasn't paid any of the money to charity, but says that she intends to at some unspecified point in the future.
None of this exonerates Depp (and, indeed, it's not uncommon for both partners in a relationship to be abusive), but I don't trust the UK verdict, and it's unequivocally true that Heard has lied about the situation. There's a lot more but, as I say, this isn't the thread for it.
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