Cancel culture IRL

[JoeMorgue]

And honestly we can do this until we get a valid example and that would prove... what exactly?

People have been fired for bad reason in the past.

WHAT NEW IS HAPPENING? Why does it need a new name?

 

[dirtywick]

It’s not the first time either with Gina Carano. In November Disney was going to announce a spin off series with her character, but at the time she was busy posting stolen election and QAnon conspiracy theories. So she was aware that Disney was watching social media closely. She made her choices.

I’d wager that many of these examples of being cancelled, like Carano, were probably warned that social media posts will effect their employment at some point before termination.

 

[rdwight]

So many funny angles on this one. Put lets be honest, the general point of the post isnt antisemetic. People should really stop comparing things to the holocaust, and this is a very 'both sides' issue when it comes to that. While her costar's tweet comparing(incorrectly) kids in cages with the holocaust, a funnier pic i saw was how trending hashs had cancelginacarano with #kidhitler trending, referencing josh hawley. Commical at this point.

For right wingers siding with her intended message with the post, i wish someone would compile i bunch of them labeling liberals everything short of evil incarnate. Not so much pearl clutching when the conversation involves their 'enemies'.

What i enjoy most is when someone points out the obvious 'both sides' portion of this and gets ripped by both sides. Guess the only agreement is everyone is terrible.

 

[johnny karate]

So many funny angles on this one. Put lets be honest, the general point of the post isnt antisemetic. People should really stop comparing things to the holocaust, and this is a very 'both sides' issue when it comes to that. While her costar's tweet comparing(incorrectly) kids in cages with the holocaust, a funnier pic i saw was how trending hashs had cancelginacarano with #kidhitler trending, referencing josh hawley. Commical at this point.

For right wingers siding with her intended message with the post, i wish someone would compile i bunch of them labeling liberals everything short of evil incarnate. Not so much pearl clutching when the conversation involves their 'enemies'.

What i enjoy most is when someone points out the obvious 'both sides' portion of this and gets ripped by both sides. Guess the only agreement is everyone is terrible.

Anyone pretending that Carano’s firing was about a single social media post is either uninformed or lying.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

An interesting point that I saw mentioned.

Nothing Carano posted is really out of line with mainstream conservative opinion shared by a huge part of the country. This isn't to say she should not have been fired, what she said was gross and embarrassing for her employer.

It is to say that being deliberately cruel, transphobic, conspiratorial, belligerent, and and wildly hyperbolic is pretty much standard fare for our aggrieved conservatives. Implying that conservatives are victims of Nazi style oppression at the hands of liberals is extremely common. Openly mocking trans people is common. Believing election and covid conspiracy theories is routine.

Probably not a great sign that about large swaths of the country are living in irreconcilable versions of reality.

Again, I by no means think that firing her was the wrong choice. It's just a sign of how truly deranged the mainstream right has become.

 

[rdwight]

Anyone pretending that Carano’s firing was about a single social media post is either uninformed or lying.

Not sure what you are trying to point out here, but her employer used the post as a reasoning in her firing. The fact they wanted to fire her and were waiting for the best justification, and this one is what they landed on isnt really debating the point.

 

[Darat]

…snip.. His marriage goes sideways, his ex-wife flat out lies about what happened, and he loses some gigs because of the mob….snip…

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...t-sun-over-claims-he-beat-ex-wife-amber-heard

“…snip…. In the 129-page ruling, the judge, Mr Justice Nicol, said: “The claimant [Depp] has not succeeded in his action for libel … The defendants [the Sun and News Group Newspapers] have shown that what they published in the meaning which I have held the words to bear [wife beater] was substantially true….snip….

He also said he accepted Heard’s evidence that the allegations she made against Depp “have had a negative effect on her career as an actor and activist”.

“I have reached these conclusions having examined in detail the 14 incidents on which the defendants rely as well …snip…

…snip…

In 12 out of the 14 incidents of assault reported by Heard, the judge said he found the allegations proved. …snip…
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[johnny karate]

Not sure what you are trying to point out here, but her employer used the post as a reasoning in her firing. The fact they wanted to fire her and were waiting for the best justification, and this one is what they landed on isnt really debating the point.

This latest incident was “the final straw”, which means there were other straws. It’s the straws in total that got her fired.

So no, she didn’t get fired over a single social media post. She got fired for a pattern of behavior that she was almost certainly warned about and definitely violated the terms of her employment contact.

 

[dirtywick]

So many funny angles on this one. Put lets be honest, the general point of the post isnt antisemetic. People should really stop comparing things to the holocaust, and this is a very 'both sides' issue when it comes to that. While her costar's tweet comparing(incorrectly) kids in cages with the holocaust, a funnier pic i saw was how trending hashs had cancelginacarano with #kidhitler trending, referencing josh hawley. Commical at this point.

For right wingers siding with her intended message with the post, i wish someone would compile i bunch of them labeling liberals everything short of evil incarnate. Not so much pearl clutching when the conversation involves their 'enemies'.

What i enjoy most is when someone points out the obvious 'both sides' portion of this and gets ripped by both sides. Guess the only agreement is everyone is terrible.

Comparing the systematic eradication of tens of millions of an ethnic minority with being disagreed with on social media is deeply stupid and in it's own way offensive. Plus, let's be honest, instead of being loaded onto a train they're far more likely to appear as a keynote speaker at a convention and get a book deal. But I agree it's not anti-semetic.

But I think what Gina Carano and other celebrities who are, have been, or will be, in similar situations is that your social media accounts are part of your PR wing. Everything you post on it will effect your career. If you're using your social media accounts to air out controversial, unpopular, or offensive views instead of promoting upcoming projects, well that's your decision to make I suppose. Generate the type of PR you want.

I think that's somewhat true for everyone, but obviously much less so for people with a small social media footprint.

 

[Darat]

Not sure what you are trying to point out here, but her employer used the post as a reasoning in her firing. The fact they wanted to fire her and were waiting for the best justification, and this one is what they landed on isnt really debating the point.

Didn’t think they singled out any particular post?

 

[Leftus]

Well, here's the deal: wake me up when you actually DO know the premises for your argument, not when you think that NOT knowing just means you can fill in the blanks with whatever fairy tale lets you be offended

Any reason why you removed the part about Johnny Depp?

 

[Leftus]

As pointed out, Chris Pratt is a bafflingly bad example of “cancel culture”.

How so? What did he do? Besides not parrot the party line? Every supposed piece of evidence against him was faked. He did nothing to draw the ire of the mob, but was targeted. And with the no bad tactics methods, every piece of evidence was faked.

But so long as he hasn't lost anything that can be verified, attacks on his character are irrelevant, no matter how vile.

 

[rdwight]

This latest incident was “the final straw”, which means there were other straws. It’s the straws in total that got her fired.

So no, she didn’t get fired over a single social media post. She got fired for a pattern of behavior that she was almost certainly warned about and definitely violated the terms of her employment contact.

Do you have any specifics to show that there was any public pushback from the company on any other posts? Or anything internal shared, any demands for change etc? It's very likely that some level of caution was expressed to her from her employer, but to frame it like she is in the know about the tight rope she was walking isn't really obvious besides speculating it.

Comparing the systematic eradication of tens of millions of an ethnic minority with being disagreed with on social media is deeply stupid and in it's own way offensive. Plus, let's be honest, instead of being loaded onto a train they're far more likely to appear as a keynote speaker at a convention and get a book deal. But I agree it's not anti-semetic.

So is it "denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities" or not? There are constant accusations and descriptions of conservatives as Hitler or Nazis. I have yet to see such things result is push back. They are all stupid, sure. But not really what they are framed to be.

But I think what Gina Carano and other celebrities who are, have been, or will be, in similar situations is that your social media accounts are part of your PR wing. Everything you post on it will effect your career. If you're using your social media accounts to air out controversial, unpopular, or offensive views instead of promoting upcoming projects, well that's your decision to make I suppose. Generate the type of PR you want.

I think that's somewhat true for everyone, but obviously much less so for people with a small social media footprint.

Unfortunately seems like the time we live in requires 'branding' yourself on social media, and includes contributing on a regular basis to build and acquire new fans. Everyone should FOR SURE use a PR firm to run anything by, even if it waters down your personality. Not everyone is open to doing so though, and the consequences are on them. No tears from me for anyone for that.

Didn’t think they singled out any particular post?

Yes, but I haven't seen any other posts referenced problematic that match their statement.

"Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable."

Anti-mask/voter fraud definitely don't fall into this. Boo/boop/beep, which i guess was her offensive to trans thing I really don't see as cultural or religious, but I guess someone here can attempt to persuade me. Since the timing is directly after her post, and references those two specific things, I see nothing else to go off of than that.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It’s hard to imagine the level of entitlement it takes to be a terrible actor in a minor role who thinks they can openly defy the major studio who employs them without consequence.

Actually, probably the stupidest thing is that it was a very popular minor (perhaps midrange) role. If she'd stayed out of, being generous 'politics' and promoted the character I could have seen her having a series out of it. At the very least, multiple guest appearances across multiple series. It was cash in the bank.

 

[LondonJohn]

Interesting that she managed to survive the backlash from her anti-trans posts and decided to double down by comparing being a reactionary crank to being a holocaust victim.

How do people nailing themselves to the crucifix drive the last nail in?

Yes. But unfortunately, in the western world as it stands in 2021, being transphobic is not yet quite viewed as it should be - ie on a par with being homophobic. You can bet your bottom dollar that if she'd expressed similar opinions on homosexuality, this would have constituted grounds for action at that time.

I'm guessing (and hoping) that in 10 or 20 years' time, being openly transphobic will be viewed within society as being offensive, unacceptable, and actionable. And I marry this to an observation about the changing way in which homophobic abuse has been viewed within society: only 30-40 years or so ago, it was viewed as nothing more than a bit risqué to make homophobic comments in public, after all.....

 

[johnny karate]

How so? What did he do? Besides not parrot the party line? Every supposed piece of evidence against him was faked. He did nothing to draw the ire of the mob, but was targeted. And with the no bad tactics methods, every piece of evidence was faked.

But so long as he hasn't lost anything that can be verified, attacks on his character are irrelevant, no matter how vile.

It’s a bad example because he hasn’t been cancelled anywhere outside of your imagination.

And to your last point: Yes, attacks on his character are irrelevant. That’s a little something called “free speech” which I thought was the whole issue with wokescolds.

 

[johnny karate]

Do you have any specifics to show that there was any public pushback from the company on any other posts? Or anything internal shared, any demands for change etc? It's very likely that some level of caution was expressed to her from her employer, but to frame it like she is in the know about the tight rope she was walking isn't really obvious besides speculating it.

I’m feel like my “almost certainly” indicated I was speculating. The speculation is based on a common sense understanding of how these things work.

But hey, if Disney did pull the rug out from under her and fired her without reasonable cause or warning, I guess she’ll be filing a wrongful termination lawsuit any day now, won’t she?

 

[dirtywick]

So is it "denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities" or not? There are constant accusations and descriptions of conservatives as Hitler or Nazis. I have yet to see such things result is push back. They are all stupid, sure. But not really what they are framed to be.

Having conservative political views isn't a cultural or religious identity. Conservative views are opinions and ideas, and people should always be allowed to disagree and even denigrate ideas they think are bad. If you want to talk about suppressing the public discourse and free exchange of ideas, do we really think it's unfair to conservatives that people that happen to share their political views aren't allowed to freely lie about unrelated things?

But from what I've seen the people being "cancelled" for their views are largely conservative but the views being expressed are not. Gina Carano was fired for expressing that being a conservative today is as dangerous as being a Jew during the Holocaust. She also expressed that the election was stolen and pushed QAnon conspiracy theories.

Which of those is a conservative viewpoint? Free speech is in danger because companies don't want to be associated with people who will tell their millions of followers that Democrats are baby eating pedophiles? I'd argue none of that is conservative political stance. I'm not sure it's a political stance at all.

It's kind of baffling to me that an average conservative wants to rally around people like that as if they represent them. Or maybe they feel that they do.

 

[lobosrul5]

How so? What did he do? Besides not parrot the party line? Every supposed piece of evidence against him was faked. He did nothing to draw the ire of the mob, but was targeted. And with the no bad tactics methods, every piece of evidence was faked.

But so long as he hasn't lost anything that can be verified, attacks on his character are irrelevant, no matter how vile.

Probably because he hasn't been canceled despite what appears to be some attempts to get him to be canceled. Its a counter-point to the argument that conservatives and Christians get canceled by Hollywood just for being conservative and Christian. He was not canceled, it did not work. In fact several of his co-stars came out to his defense. He is currently making 8 figures from 3 of the big 5 media companies of Hollywood (Disney thru Marvel, Warner Bros, and Universal) . No I can't prove that no one hasn't offered him a job because of what people have said about him on social media. But he's clearly NOT BEEN CANCELLED.

ETA: Lol, he has a major movie coming out from Paramount (owned by ViacomCBS): The Tomorrow War, so all the major players except Sony have recently worked with him.

 

[rdwight]

Having conservative political views isn't a cultural or religious identity.

Yes, but is comparing the road that leads to atrocious acts denigrating to Jews in the holocaust? Terrible analogy sure, but actually offensive? Intentionally so? If it is, why is comparing/calling GOP law makers Nazis/Hitler not as denigrating to the experience? Children held by ICE and separated from their families for a time vs Jewish children literally rounded up and systematically murdered by the Nazi state?

How many Jews did Josh Hawley round up? What people did he target with similar actions/laws as them? As bad as Trump might be in people's eyes, he in no way is comparable, on any level, with Hitler. But that expression when shared by left leaning artists is celebrated.