Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

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And your proof that the National Guard is made up of Oathkeepers is....
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I agree. Oathkeeps tend to be crusty retirees who like to LARP like they're still soldiers.

Young guardsmen are more likely to be out-and-out fascists:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/soldiers-cases-highlight-reach-of-white-extremism-into-us-military/2020/06/25/0203532e-b582-11ea-9b0f-c797548c1154_story.html

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/national-guard-proud-boys-california-black-lives-matter_n_5efe44a5c5b612083c592f32
 
dudalb said:
Proud Boys are just the Klan minus the Halloween costumes.
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Actually the Moorish SVCs sound like Nation Of Islam wannabes.
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First - at this point they're pretty close to that. I was willing to put up with their facade a year or two ago, despite their obvious white supremacist/nationalist links, in a "they're clearly a violent and bigoted street gang, but not technically white supremacist" way, but once you're rampaging through the streets attacking random people and vandalizing black churches, it's over.

The second...well, not really. They're *much* more visible with their criminal activities than any NOI member is, often into just outright scams and violence. Farrakhan talks a lot of mess, but by and large the NOI tries to keep in line with the law. As for the upper level of that religion...well, as an atheist, I'll just say I'm rather biased, but I wouldn't give them a thin dime in large part because I still have no idea what happened to all those contributions Farrakhan got from the Million Man March.

...I also think "personal responsibility" is garbage as far as public policy goes, although it's certainly important at the, well, personal level, and I do acnowledge that the MMM's message was good as far as most of the people there went.

I won't comment in general on this second zone, since I've heard so much conflicting information.
 
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"Vandalism near Red House exposes ‘troubling disconnect’
2020 Protests-Neighborhood residents fed up with occupation"
--KOIN article
Many buildings and businesses along N. Mississippi Avenue have been vandalized by graffiti, including the Avel Gordly Head Start building named for the first Black women elected to the Oregon Senate.
The Avel Gordly Head Start facility in North Portland, December 15, 2020 (KOIN)

“When I think about the meaning of Albina Head Start, it’s a community institution, it’s been serving children and families for decades, going back to least the 1970s,” said Gordly, who has lived in Portland for over seven decades. “It’s more than the damage to the building that’s unsettling. What it signals is that someone is ignorant about Albina Head Start and its significance to the Black community.”
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We have a antifa bootlicking mayor that is not capable of standing up to bullies. Neighbors are pissed off.
“It’s hard to continue when you own a building and support the neighborhood and then it gets terrorized. I’m sorry to say it but I don’t think it’s right. There’s other ways to get support. That’s not the way to get support. Vandalism,”
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And the neighbor wonders if all the property taxes they’ve paid “can’t go towards preventing armed vigilantes from patrolling my neighborhood.”
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We lack the political will to stop these vigilantes, these bullies, here in Portland. We can't have people going around on "patrol" whether they are Proud Boys or Antifa.
 
BODYCAM VIDEO SHOWS ‘MOB MENTALITY’ OF BOSTON POLICE WHO RESPONDED TO GEORGE FLOYD PROTESTS, LAWYER SAYS
Hours of video given exclusively to The Appeal show police officers bragging about attacking protesters and multiple instances of excessive force and the liberal use of pepper spray.
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The hours of video, given exclusively to The Appeal by Williams, show police officers bragging about attacking protesters, targeting nonviolent demonstrators for violence and possible arrest, discussing arrest quotas and the use of cars as weapons, and multiple instances of excessive force and liberal use of pepper spray.
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Squares very much with my memories of the night when I was there. Riot police escalated a peaceful protest into a night of violence and vandalism.

https://theappeal.org/bodycam-video-shows-mob-mentality-of-boston-police-who-responded-to-george-floyd-protests-lawyer-says/


Video also shows one officer stealing a tie from a looted store.
 
Oh wow, it seems that this sort of thing is rather common, who could have ever guessed:

“Some police officers engaged in actions that were, at a minimum, unprofessional and, at worst, unjustified excessive force or abuse of authority,” the report said.


The report recommended, among other steps, that the Police Department create a separate unit to oversee demonstrations that would work closely with community affairs officers who are specially trained to facilitate interaction between the public and the police.
The report also said the department should re-evaluate the use of specialized units that played a central role in the protests — the Strategic Response Group and the Disorder Control Unit — which are trained to handle terrorist attacks, riots and other serious threats.
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I'm amazed by that thing I and others here have been repeatedly pointing out for years now.
 
Mumbles said:
Oh wow, it seems that this sort of thing is rather common, who could have ever guessed:



I'm amazed by that thing I and others here have been repeatedly pointing out for years now.
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Seems pretty universal that in all these violent riots, the police really seem to be having a ball. They sure do love getting together in riot gear and kicking the **** out of unarmed protestors.

People who enjoy using violence against their fellow man should not be in charge of law enforcement.
 
Is there something about the description of police work that would make you think they don't focus on hurting people? Not a lot of guitars and knitting needles on their utility belts or in patrol vehicles.
 
Thermal said:
Is there something about the description of police work that would make you think they don't focus on hurting people? Not a lot of guitars and knitting needles on their utility belts or in patrol vehicles.
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“To protect and serve”
 
Thermal said:
Is there something about the description of police work that would make you think they don't focus on hurting people? Not a lot of guitars and knitting needles on their utility belts or in patrol vehicles.
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Violence is an intrinsic part of police work, but it's still notable that these people really seem to enjoy hurting people.

Euthanizing animals might be part of a vet's job, but you would be right to worry if the vet took visible pleasure in doing so, and it might lead you to question whether their decisions really are motivated by the best interests of the animal and not just to maximize their own sadistic pleasures.

Cops are supposed to use their expertise and training to minimize the amount of violence they employ as part of their jobs. Videos showing cops in riot gear squaring off with the public as giddy as kids in a candy shop with a pocket full of cash rightly make one question their judgement.
 
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Violence is an intrinsic part of police work, but it's still notable that these people really seem to enjoy hurting people.
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Do you find it notable that people thoroughly enjoy a line of work that delivers as promised? Cuz I don't. That's my expectation. Would you find it similarly notable that a cook enjoys cooking?

Euthanizing animals might be part of a vet's job, but you would be right to worry if the vet took visible pleasure in doing so, and it might lead you to question whether their decisions really are motivated by the best interests of the animal and not just to maximize their own sadistic pleasures.
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Do the vets you go to focus the majority of their efforts on hurting or killing animals? The vets I go to focus most of their practice on healing and saving animals, and keeping them well.

Cops are supposed to use their expertise and training to minimize the amount of violence they employ as part of their jobs.Videos showing cops in riot gear squaring off with the public as giddy as kids in a candy shop with a pocket full of cash rightly make one question their judgement.
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Again, are you surprised that a surgeon enjoys performing surgery?

A few months ago, you were touting ACAB. Did you mean touchy-feely good guys that don't want to hurt a fly, when you say they are all bastards? In case it occurs to you, my position is the same. Not all are bad, but they all want to hurt. In theory, they want to hurt bad guys. Some are more cavileer than others about who is a bad guy.
 
Right wing mob riots at Oregon state capitol building, destroys property and attacks police and reporters:
Throughout the day, organizers broke glass doors on the west side of the Capitol building, tore tarps from the marble reliefs on the front steps, and engaged in a brief standoff with Oregon State Police and Salem Police Department officers.

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"I'm very proud of everybody that showed up today," protester David Klaus said to the crowd. "We accomplished two very important things ... We put the fear of God in the citizens of our state. They know we're not messing around anymore.

"Number two: We shamed the traitorous law enforcement officers that kept us out of our house," Klaus said. "They made their choice today — what happens next is on them."
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All this violence and chilling threats of more because of COVID restrictions, which ironically enough, had to be implemented again because these very same people refuse to follow simple safety protocols to minimize the spread of the virus.

Now imagine what would happen if these people were the victims of actual injustice.
 
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