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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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TellyKNeasuss said:
No. She has claimed that officials in China, Cuba, and Venezuela were involved, as well as George Soros and workers at the Clinton Foundation. There was also a Spanish company named Scytl that was involved. And there were bribes paid to state and local politicians and election officials. Plus a "young army officer" was given a demo of the system.
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True, she did say that. But still to my point, I was implying the numbers of people were not like:

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"Seriously just estimate how many people would have to be in on this fraud to work, people from both parties plus independents. "
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But I was wrong.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
She has claimed that officials in China, Cuba, and Venezuela were involved, as well as George Soros and workers at the Clinton Foundation. There was also a Spanish company named Scytl that was involved. And there were bribes paid to state and local politicians and election officials. Plus a "young army officer" was given a demo of the system.
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My oh my....


Either she is lying her ass off, or she has what she says she has.


I guess we will know which it is, before long
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
No. She has claimed that officials in China, Cuba, and Venezuela were involved, as well as George Soros and workers at the Clinton Foundation. There was also a Spanish company named Scytl that was involved. And there were bribes paid to state and local politicians and election officials. Plus a "young army officer" was given a demo of the system.
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And let's not forget that one of the Venezuelan officials she claims is involved is Hugo Chavez.
 
Bubba said:
My oh my....


Either she is lying her ass off, or she has what she says she has.


I guess we will know which it is, before long
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As I said, there are other options...on both her perception and the outcome.

My prediction is that after a process (or non-process) people of a conspiracy mindset will conclude she had it, and others will conclude she did not.


ETA: If I had to give a specific prediction, it is that you will continue to suspect the election and I will not.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Lawyers with an actual case bring their evidence to a Judge before they present it to the public, not the other way around.

Seriously just estimate how many people would have to be in on this fraud to work, people from both parties plus independents.
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The Russians hijacked our 2016 election with a couple of sock puppets on Facebook. It's not that difficult.
 
Bubba said:
My oh my....


Either she is lying her ass off, or she has what she says she has.


I guess we will know which it is, before long
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I thought you said Trump won in a landslide, and this somewhat deranged woman was going to bring the whole conspiracy down. Now you don't seem as sure.
 
Bubba said:
My oh my....


Either she is lying her ass off, or she has what she says she has.


I guess we will know which it is, before long
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Yes, I guess we will. But somehow I have a feeling when absolutely nothing she says is proved to be true, you'll still think that our scorn wasn't deserved because we weren't being 'actual skeptics'.
 
A bit more on Sidney Powell's INCREDIBLE ELECTION FRAUD EVIDENCE. I'd bet this 'anonymous former Venezuelan military official's' affadavit is one of Powell's much touted pieces of evidence. Try to control your laughing.

This week, Powell finally made an offering and it quickly sunk to the bottom of the sea. On Tuesday, allied attorney Lin Wood released “the kraken” — a heavily redacted affidavit from an anonymous former Venezuelan military official who saw Chavez many years ago playing around with a supposedly rigged Smartmatic machine.

“It is a stunning, detailed affidavit because he was with Hugo Chavez while he was being briefed on how it worked. He was with Hugo Chavez when he saw it operated. He made sure the election came out his way,” Powell said on Thursday.

Powell also claimed that Soros controlled the voting machines, because the former chairman of Datamatic is also on the board of a Soros foundation — a striking echo of a claim that appeared in The Daily Caller ahead of the 2016 election.

Even if you buy these vague claims, however, Venezuela is a different country from the United States. And Smartmatic and Dominion are different companies.

To bridge these gaps, Powell has focused on the fact that Dominion bought a company called Sequoia Voting Systems from Smartmatic in 2010. The implication is that, somehow, Smartmatic installed its Hugo Chavez code in Sequoia machines, which then went on to infect Dominion’s owner systems with this crazed election-stealing ten years later.

Intriguingly, Powell has turned these claims into an attack on American elections more broadly. She’s declared that any Republican who lost by less than six percent of the vote shouldn’t concede, with the implication that they were probably conned by voter fraud machines. At the Thursday press conference, Powell said that “Republican or Democrats candidates” may have given Dominion and Smartmatic money to “have the system rigged to work for them.”
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres...3-became-responsible-for-trumps-election-loss
 
Apologies if this has been posted already (couldn't see it on a quick check) but apparently one of the Republicans' main claims of irregularities, that more people had voted in Michigan than lived there, is based on them mixing up Minnesota populations with Michigan votes! Basically they failed to tell the difference between MI and MN....you couldn't make it up.. though apparently they can!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/20/us/joe-biden-trump/minnesota-or-michigan-trump-lawyers-mix-up-m-states-in-an-affidavit-intended-to-prove-vote-fraud
 
Stacyhs said:
A bit more on Sidney Powell's INCREDIBLE ELECTION FRAUD EVIDENCE. I'd bet this 'anonymous former Venezuelan military official's' affadavit is one of Powell's much touted pieces of evidence. Try to control your laughing.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres...3-became-responsible-for-trumps-election-loss
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acbytesla said:
Every election has unaccounted irregularities. This was brought up in the Nevada with its 139 irregularities in it's most populous county. The point is that the irregularities in Michigan are immaterial when viewed in the context of 150 thousand vote plurality. There is every reason for her to seek improving the process. There is absolutely no reason for her to disenfranchise 150 thousand voters and flip a Presidential election.
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We do agree on most of the issues with this situation. A few problems in a precinct should not disqualify that district from a recount. The people that voted within that district could never know if the vote tally was correct after the first count. IMO this is a much messed up way to run an election. A few problems as is normal should not be handled in such a way.

I think Monica Palmer was correct to ask for an audit to find out why Detroit should not be eligible for recount based on the amount (likely small) of votes with problems. I also think it is wrong to try and push a certification vote thru in spite of the canvasser(s) concerns. By doing so you negate the reason to have a Wayne County Board of Canvassers.

Like it or not it is these kind of things that appear improper enough to be brought into court. Especially since the concerns were voiced prior to the certification.

To be clear it makes no difference who won Detroit. The difference is that it may be unverifiable and that is not transparent.
 
rdaneel said:
And let's not forget that one of the Venezuelan officials she claims is involved is Hugo Chavez.
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No, she doesn't claim Chavez rose from the grave. She claims the software to cheat with voting machines was developed for him (while he was alive).
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Lawyers with an actual case bring their evidence to a Judge before they present it to the public, not the other way around.

Seriously just estimate how many people would have to be in on this fraud to work, people from both parties plus independents.
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They've certainly backed themselves into a corner. Every attorney on that team is a high profile type. Every reputation is on the line. If they don't produce something absolutely jaw dropping in court they'll all be considered liars and fools forever more.

If the election was to be stolen thru the voting machines/software it wouldn't take that many people. You'd need a few employees on the inside to tinker with the machines/software. Some of the attorney claims mention witness testimony of Dominion employees. Dominion has recently skipped out of a public hearing in PA and lawyered up.

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/penn...cle_6020da90-2ba1-11eb-8420-534f51eeb494.html
 
Meadmaker said:
The law is, as I have seen expressed in articles, that if a precinct's ballot count is out of balance at the end of the first count, that count stands.

i.e. It isn't included in the recount. The votes from the first count are the official tally. The precinct's votes are not thrown out.

I don't understand the rationale for such a law, but there it is.
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I looked it up too. Isn't that crazy? Why in the World would anyone have such a law? You could never check for fraud after the first count if there was an "out of balance". Every election will have a few issues. It's hard to believe MI citizens would accept it.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
They've certainly backed themselves into a corner. Every attorney on that team is a high profile type. Every reputation is on the line. If they don't produce something absolutely jaw dropping in court they'll all be considered liars and fools forever more.

If the election was to be stolen thru the voting machines/software it wouldn't take that many people. You'd need a few employees on the inside to tinker with the machines/software. Some of the attorney claims mention witness testimony of Dominion employees. Dominion has recently skipped out of a public hearing in PA and lawyered up.

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/penn...cle_6020da90-2ba1-11eb-8420-534f51eeb494.html
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They did a hand recount in GA bro
 
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