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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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What is that date. Even approximately?

In a week?
By (the infamous) two weeks or so?
By Dec 8?
By Jan 21?
By Jan 21, 2022?
By 2024?

At what point are we assured she doesn’t have any evidence?

By December 5 when all of the states will have certified their election results?

By December 14, the Electors will meet and cast their ballots?

By January 6 when Congress reads the Electoral vote count?

or by

January 20 when the President elect is sworn in?
 
Michigan canvasser Monica Palmer gave a press conference. She wants all votes for all precincts counted, resolved. Asked about what was not resolved, she said up to 43 votes in those precincts (90 or so had problems.) Most precincts on the "bad" list had only 3 unresolved votes.
The county
https://ballotpedia.org/Wayne_County,_Michigan
Had some 250 000 ballots.

The county had very similar numbers of unresolved ballots in 2016. They were certified with no investigation. Certifying the ballots fully approved.
 
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Michigan canvasser Monica Palmer gave a press conference. She wants all votes for all precincts counted, resolved. Asked about what was not resolved, she said up to 43 votes in those precincts (90 or so had problems.) Most precincts on the "bad" list had only 3 unresolved votes.
The county
https://ballotpedia.org/Wayne_County,_Michigan
Had some 250 000 ballots.

The county had very similar numbers of unresolved ballots in 2016. They were certified with no investigation. Certifying the ballots fully approved.

When did she hold this press conference? I'm pretty sure she is totally irrelevant at this point. She certified the election results she is complaining about.
 
I honestly think Giuliani has severe mental problems. No other way to explain his horrid performance this week. At one time he was a very good attorney, but that performance would embarrass a first year law school student

Too long of people stroking his ego as long as he gives them what they want. Same problem as Trump, no doubt. You need people willing to challenge you, in order to stay sharp.
 
Michigan canvasser Monica Palmer gave a press conference. She wants all votes for all precincts counted, resolved. Asked about what was not resolved, she said up to 43 votes in those precincts (90 or so had problems.) Most precincts on the "bad" list had only 3 unresolved votes.
The county
https://ballotpedia.org/Wayne_County,_Michigan
Had some 250 000 ballots.

The county had very similar numbers of unresolved ballots in 2016. They were certified with no investigation. Certifying the ballots fully approved.

Some terrible static in that video as well.

I don't think her decision was based on the numbers. I believe her decision was based on precincts with unexplained out of balance situations rendering them ineligible for recount. Why would someone agree to certify a major population center such as Detroit in this case, ineligible for recount?

She said she has been in her position for two years, that means she wasn't there for any improprieties that may have happened in 2016. I believe based on her statements she would have come to the same decision if Detroit was to be rendered ineligible for recount due to unexplained out of balance precincts. She said nothing that would lead anyone to believe anything else.
 
Some terrible static in that video as well.

I don't think her decision was based on the numbers. I believe her decision was based on precincts with unexplained out of balance situations rendering them ineligible for recount. Why would someone agree to certify a major population center such as Detroit in this case, ineligible for recount?

She said she has been in her position for two years, that means she wasn't there for any improprieties that may have happened in 2016. I believe based on her statements she would have come to the same decision if Detroit was to be rendered ineligible for recount due to unexplained out of balance precincts. She said nothing that would lead anyone to believe anything else.

Except that's wrong. Michigan has automatic recounts when it is under 2,000 votes and a losing candidate can request a a recount. It should be noted that Biden won the state by 14 times what Trump won the state by in 2016.
 
I think the technical term for this is "Put Up Or Shut Up".

Agreed. If she has evidence of fraud she needs to take it to court and make the case. Everyone in the US may not agree who the best candidate may be but we absolutely agree that our elections must be fair and free from fraud.

If US citizens are being manipulated by a corrupt election system heads may need to roll from both sides. If we're being lied to about fraud and none exists, heads may need to roll. I think we should advocate for public execution of traitors to the US. (After they receive a fair trial of course)
 
Georgia’s governor, while certifying the election results, has now called for another full hand recount of the same results and asking for a comparison of signatures on absentee ballot envelopes to be compared with applications on file.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...election-update-live-stream-today-2020-11-20/

My first thought is this: are these people who conduct this comparison handwriting experts and is there a handwriting expert employed at every polling station? Otherwise it would seem to be quite a subjective undertaking.

I voted in Georgia for 50 years, 1966 to 2016. My “application” must be 50 years old. From 2003 to 2012 I voted absentee ballot. Maybe a true handwriting expert can detect my signature over that time but I doubt that someone like my mother who was a poll worker from the 1930’s to the 1990’s could have done that with accuracy.

There are two r’s in my name. For a long time my signature in cursive showed the r’s like a printed r and unlike the cursive r that resembles the Devils Tower. Then I switched back again. I haven’t written much since I retired in 2006 but before then arthritis in my hand caused me to begin to print rather than write cursive. I rarely sign checks and that card chip reader at the checkout counter gets a different signature every time. After moving out of state 3 years ago, I had to fill out forms for new doctors, etc., and writing English letters for me was like writing a logogram.

So I would hate to know that my vote could be rejected because some part time poll worker said that ain’t his handwriting.

As usual I’m probably missing something here so somebody tell me what it is.
 
Georgia’s governor, while certifying the election results, has now called for another full hand recount of the same results and asking for a comparison of signatures on absentee ballot envelopes to be compared with applications on file.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...election-update-live-stream-today-2020-11-20/




My first thought is this: are these people who conduct this comparison handwriting experts and is there a handwriting expert employed at every polling station? Otherwise it would seem to be quite a subjective undertaking.

I voted in Georgia for 50 years, 1966 to 2016. My “application” must be 50 years old. From 2003 to 2012 I voted absentee ballot. Maybe a true handwriting expert can detect my signature over that time but I doubt that someone like my mother who was a poll worker from the 1930’s to the 1990’s could have done that with accuracy.

There are two r’s in my name. For a long time my signature in cursive showed the r’s like a printed r and unlike the cursive r that resembles the Devils Tower. Then I switched back again. I haven’t written much since I retired in 2006 but before then arthritis in my hand caused me to begin to print rather than write cursive. I rarely sign checks and that card chip reader at the checkout counter gets a different signature every time. After moving out of state 3 years ago, I had to fill out forms for new doctors, etc., and writing English letters for me was like writing a logogram.

So I would hate to know that my vote could be rejected because some part time poll worker said that ain’t his handwriting.

As usual I’m probably missing something here so somebody tell me what it is.

How old is your driver's license photo. Who possesses expertise in matching photos to a person?

It is all a little silly. But the expectation is mail in baits have a higher reject rate than in person because of things like signature matching.

ETA: I think the system is ultimately like the TSA...mostly ineffective theater, with the main reason terrorism not happening is difficulty preparing and investigation well before the day planned.
 
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What is that date. Even approximately?

In a week?
By (the infamous) two weeks or so?
By Dec 8?
By Jan 21?
By Jan 21, 2022?
By 2024?

At what point are we assured she doesn’t have any evidence?


Why ask Paul2 ? How is he supposed to know?? Wait for the court date.

I dont know, but filing their lawsuit and getting a court date seem a logical next step. If they dont, its probably over for Trump, unless he has an Ace up his sleeve. Maybe that Executive Order 13848 item, for example.
 
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Georgia’s governor, while certifying the election results, has now called for another full hand recount of the same results and asking for a comparison of signatures on absentee ballot envelopes to be compared with applications on file.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...election-update-live-stream-today-2020-11-20/


This article is confusing me. I can't find local news sources that are saying the same thing.

EDIT: I think the person who wrote that article misunderstood or did a bad job reporting on what Kemp announced. Kemp said that he SUPPORTED the hand recount (not that he wants another), and that he suggests the SoS should CONSIDER (not ordering) doing a sample audit of signatures and that they should do changes to the way they do elections in the future.

You can see what Kemp actually said here at the end of the article:

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics...s-absentee-voting/EQ6VSGX2PBCQLJCPB36MWGVM4Y/

He's NOT ordering another recount, he's NOT ordering an audit of signatures on absentee ballots. He's signing off on what the SoS reported for the election, but think the SoS should do the signature audit, but isn't ordering it. Trump can ask for another recount, but the recount is, by law, a machine one. It isn't gonna give a different result.
 
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Except that's wrong. Michigan has automatic recounts when it is under 2,000 votes and a losing candidate can request a a recount. It should be noted that Biden won the state by 14 times what Trump won the state by in 2016.

She said. Precincts that have an out of balance that is unexplained are ineligible for recount.

Makes no difference who got how many votes if they can't be recounted. As far as that goes, if it goes to court and Trump wins, every vote in Detroit could be thrown out of the election.
 
I guess you're right.


There couldn't be any reason Trump's team wants to hold their cards until they get in court.


Can you wait until they go to court??
They claim to have evidence of possibly the biggest crime in American history.

Have they handed the evidence to the FBI? Have they handed it to any police force?

Is there any reason to withhold evidence of possibly the biggest crime in American history from the FBI?

Have they even mentioned which court they are going to use this alleged evidence in?
 
Agreed. If she has evidence of fraud she needs to take it to court and make the case. Everyone in the US may not agree who the best candidate may be but we absolutely agree that our elections must be fair and free from fraud.

If US citizens are being manipulated by a corrupt election system heads may need to roll from both sides. If we're being lied to about fraud and none exists, heads may need to roll. I think we should advocate for public execution of traitors to the US. (After they receive a fair trial of course)

It's a crock. It's alleging in a press conference, not in a courtroom. It hasn't been referred to any kind of police. This is flat out lying.

Powell's and Giuliani and Trump are the individuals that should face consequences.

This shouldn't be a form of protected speech. This is akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater. These people are attacking America. It's as simple as that. If you have evidence of fraud in our elections you have a duty to report it so it can be investigated. You don't have a right to spout baseless attacks on the integrity of our elections.
 
Except that's wrong. Michigan has automatic recounts when it is under 2,000 votes and a losing candidate can request a a recount. It should be noted that Biden won the state by 14 times what Trump won the state by in 2016.

She said. Precincts that have an out of balance that is unexplained are ineligible for recount.

Makes no difference who got how many votes if they can't be recounted. As far as that goes, if it goes to court and Trump wins, every vote in Detroit could be thrown out of the election.

The law is, as I have seen expressed in articles, that if a precinct's ballot count is out of balance at the end of the first count, that count stands.

i.e. It isn't included in the recount. The votes from the first count are the official tally. The precinct's votes are not thrown out.

I don't understand the rationale for such a law, but there it is.
 
There couldn't be any reason Trump's team wants to hold their cards until they get in court.


"It's all right Ivanka. We'll play along for now and pull out the aces when the time is right." Yeah sure.

Can you wait until they go to court??


Which court? They've already gone to dozens of courts and gotten nowhere.

I could wait until after the Super Bowl to decide the Jets aren't going to win it this season, but why should I?
 
She said. Precincts that have an out of balance that is unexplained are ineligible for recount.

Makes no difference who got how many votes if they can't be recounted. As far as that goes, if it goes to court and Trump wins, every vote in Detroit could be thrown out of the election.

Every election has unaccounted irregularities. This was brought up in the Nevada with its 139 irregularities in it's most populous county. The point is that the irregularities in Michigan are immaterial when viewed in the context of 150 thousand vote plurality. There is every reason for her to seek improving the process. There is absolutely no reason for her to disenfranchise 150 thousand voters and flip a Presidential election.
 
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