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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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Nessie said:
Do we still await evidence of fraud on a scale that would genuinely put the election result into question, from Trump or any of his supporters?
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I think by now the whole fraud issue has become farcical. No one in the mainstream media takes it seriously. Over in the right wing media which I peruse they have stopped trying to show examples or evidence. They just simply take it as a given that the election was stolen, and there's no need to provide evidence.

There are still a few lawsuits that haven't been dismissed yet. All the ones that allege fraud will be dismissed. There are one or two that assert non-fraudulent violations of election law. I'm pretty sure there's one in Pennsylvania about ballot acceptance deadlines that could conceivably result in a lawsuit win for Trump, but it won't flip Pennsylvania.

So, we are awaiting evidence of fraud in the same sense we are awaiting evidence of Bigfoot. We haven't seen any evidence yet, but we acknowledge the theoretical possibility that someone could provide some someday. In the meantime, though, we'll just move ahead.
 
Nessie said:
Do we still await evidence of fraud on a scale that would genuinely put the election result into question, from Trump or any of his supporters?
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Post Fact world. They don't need evidence only the accusation.
 
Dr.Sid said:
I think you mistake 'human' with 'natural'. 'Human' is actually fighting the 'natural'. You could even see 'animal' as most of those things apply.
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"There are two things that clearly differentiate the human species from animals. One, we use cutlery. Two, we're capable of controlling our sexual urges."
Sgt. Joe Friday
 
Meadmaker said:
So, we are awaiting evidence of fraud in the same sense we are awaiting evidence of Bigfoot. We haven't seen any evidence yet, but we acknowledge the theoretical possibility that someone could provide some someday. In the meantime, though, we'll just move ahead.
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Very apt comparison given the participants here!
 
Meadmaker said:
So, we are awaiting evidence of fraud in the same sense we are awaiting evidence of Bigfoot. We haven't seen any evidence yet, but we acknowledge the theoretical possibility that someone could provide some someday. In the meantime, though, we'll just move ahead.
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Of which?
 
slyjoe said:
"There are two things that clearly differentiate the human species from animals. One, we use cutlery. Two, we're capable of controlling our sexual urges."
Sgt. Joe Friday
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Are you sure that Joe Friday said that?

Maybe Dragnet changed more in its later years on TV than I realized. Joe Friday on the radio would not refer to "sexual urges" so explicitly. It's just not done.

ETA: Never mind. I googled it. That was from the 1987 movie. Does not count.

Bah.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
I've made a comment under the YT-Video that deals with the lengthy Naim Kabir thing the section in your document is based upon. Took me around five minutes, and in another comment I dealt with a similar lenghty google spread sheet as well.

The fundamental "error" both make is that they get wrong what is actually plotted in the video - which renders all their calculations moot. Their "misunderstanding" is derived from a not very precisely formulated bullet point in the video, one that can only be "misunderstood" if one stops to watch the video there. So they claim the Y-Axis shows something it doesn't show and go on with stun grenades after that.

Pantomime debunking.

edit: for convenience (Youtube is almost unusable as discussion platform, takes me long enough to find my own posts):

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/N2kClO6.png[/qimg]
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What does the same analysis for Biden show?
 
shuttlt said:
Has anybody else seen this executive order from September 12th:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...-foreign-interference-united-states-election/


I wonder what he was thinking when he signed that? At the very least that gives a date to look out for for the arrival of a nothing burger. It's four days after the electors vote. I hadn't heard about this before.
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I can tell you one thing for certain - Trump might have signed it, but he sure as hell did not write it... his literacy level is not high enough for that.

My guess is that someone told him what was in it and he signed it without reading it.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Why do I get the feeling that this kind of counting is going to continue right up until November 2024?
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Nessie said:
Do we still await evidence of fraud on a scale that would genuinely put the election result into question, from Trump or any of his supporters?
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Paul2 said:
No.
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Doesn't matter. All they need to do is find a single friendly judge to send a case to The Supremes and democracy in the US is finished forever.
 
Trebuchet said:
Doesn't matter. All they need to do is find a single friendly judge to send a case to The Supremes and democracy in the US is finished forever.
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I don't think so. This court was pretty hostile to the administration position on the ACA case. They certainly didn't come off as being in Trump's pocket. If anything, the Supremes seemed eager to carve out their independence. I suspect that Roberts would prefer to just not hear a case and let the results stand. The Court certainly has an interest in making it clear that it is not in the business of deciding elections.
 
Craig4 said:
I don't think so. This court was pretty hostile to the administration position on the ACA case. They certainly didn't come off as being in Trump's pocket. If anything, the Supremes seemed eager to carve out their independence. I suspect that Roberts would prefer to just not hear a case and let the results stand. The Court certainly has an interest in making it clear that it is not in the business of deciding elections.
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That's how I see it. Everyone seems so convinced that this conservative "originalist" court is going to make up dramatically new law that has no legal basis at all.

Not that I want it to happen but I'd be interested in reading the written opinions and creative legal reasoning of such a decision. It would be like driving from Washington State to Florida without travelling through any of the states in between.
 
And another one bites the dust:

President Trump’s campaign on Sunday scrapped a major part of its federal lawsuit challenging the election results in Pennsylvania.

Trump’s attorneys filed a revised version of the lawsuit, removing allegations that election officials violated the Trump campaign’s constitutional rights by limiting the ability of their observers to watch votes being counted.

Trump and Rudolph W. Giuliani, his personal attorney, have said repeatedly that more than 600,000 votes in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh should be invalidated because of this issue.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ab8048-279b-11eb-9b14-ad872157ebc9_story.html
(probably behind a paywall)
 
Trump's tweets today were very harsh against Dominion, to the point I was thinking that they might have grounds for a libel suit, even given the very high bar that you have to pass for a libel suit on something politically sensitive.

But then I thought that it seemed unlikely they would be able to show any cause for damages. It's a lot of publicity, and no one takes the charges very seriously, so it's unlikely that they are causing any real harm, which is required for a libel suit.

Still, it could cause some election officials to avoid them just because election officials want to avoid controversy, whether or not there is any basis in reality for that controversy. If sales slip, I think they've got a case.
 
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