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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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PhantomWolf said:
if anyone is still thinking that there was something to the Benford Law claims, here's a great video as to why there isn't, and it includes data to show why in fact there was no detectable fraud.

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That's been linked elsewhere and it makes it absolutely clear whey Benford's Law simply cannot be applied to datasets where the data is largely of the same magnitude.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
In one of my news surfing websites (sorry, no link) someone who knows Trump said he was focused on whatever next media/money making endeavor he would follow his presidency with.

It's not like he hasn't experienced an investment failure before. He's used to bouncing back to the next thing. It's a good sign he realizes he lost the election. He may have little flurries of hope here and there, but he knows he lost.

Trump: "I'm so over you America. You never were my type."

What he's doing with the Pentagon departments however, is an issue we won't know about until we see what he's up to.
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If you read Mary Trump's book "Too Much and Never Enough", you will see that this behaviour is exactly the behaviour she predicted he would exhibit if he lost.
 
shuttlt said:
Republicans that Trump kicked out. They are the ones you have likely put back in power in the Republican party.
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I wonder who you think you mean by 'you'. Frankly, I'd love to think I'd had some part in a shift in power away from the lazy and stupid wing of the Republican Party (though how people who've been 'kicked out' can take over, I wonder; maybe you're torturing the truth there) but I suspect I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic for that.

Dave
 
So the argument appears to be that a bunch of agencies run by Trump appointees all conspired to get rid of Trump or to cover up such fraud ? How much must Trump suck as a boss for them to all turn on him?:rolleyes:
 
Garrison said:
So the argument appears to be that a bunch of agencies run by Trump appointees all conspired to get rid of Trump or to cover up such fraud ? How much must Trump suck as a boss for them to all turn on him?:rolleyes:
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That's how deep the Deep State runs....... :tinfoil
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Well, this goes above and beyond: A 30-page document debunking almost every accusation of fraud, in-depth
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For those who think this is TL;DR, a couple of interesting snippets..

11. Key quote from a Tucker Carlson clip: "At this stage, the fraud that we can confirm does not seem to be enough to alter the election results.​ We should be honest and tell you that."

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1325984111434096642

When​ someone like Tucker Carlson​ is conceding the evidence his writers and producers have found on social media is not enough to change the outcome of this race, the evidence Trump's lawyers would attempt to bring to court certainly isn't going to do it.​

12. Very important update here. The Trump admin invited the Organization of American States (a 28-member delegation from overseas) to monitor the polls for election fraud. They are out with their preliminary report, reporting ​"no evidence of systematic fraud."

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-biden-election-day-2020/card/XhlCZ4avYQb0
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This is a group that the ​Trump administration itself invited​ to monitor our elections and give credence to claims of fraud. Now the group is ​criticizing Trump for making "baseless allegations"​. You can't make this stuff up.​

16. The New York Times called elections officials in every state. Not a single one​ (from either party)​ said there was evidence of widespread fraud that changed the election's outcome.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html?action=click&mod
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This isn't going to work.​

This document has been a fascinating read. It systematically and brutally debunks every single one of Team Trump's voter fraud claims, showing that each and every claim is unquestionably false.
 
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Darat said:
Covered earlier in thread:



See section “ The Dr. Shiva Video.”
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I've made a comment under the YT-Video that deals with the lengthy Naim Kabir thing the section in your document is based upon. Took me around five minutes, and in another comment I dealt with a similar lenghty google spread sheet as well.

The fundamental "error" both make is that they get wrong what is actually plotted in the video - which renders all their calculations moot. Their "misunderstanding" is derived from a not very precisely formulated bullet point in the video, one that can only be "misunderstood" if one stops to watch the video there. So they claim the Y-Axis shows something it doesn't show and go on with stun grenades after that.

Pantomime debunking.

edit: for convenience (Youtube is almost unusable as discussion platform, takes me long enough to find my own posts):

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From the BBC - US Election 2020: The 'dead voters' in Michigan who are still alive

Highlights -

The story starts with a list of around 10,000 names posted on Twitter by a Trump-supporting activist.

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We called Roberto Garcia, a retired teacher in Michigan. He told us: "I'm definitely alive and I definitely voted for Biden - I would have to have been dead to vote for Trump."

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Our selection of 31 cases is only a small sample of the 10,000 names on the list, but it has clearly revealed the flaws in the database shared by Trump supporters.

From our investigation it's clear that in almost all of our 31 test cases, the data for genuine voters in Michigan has been combined with records of dead people with the same name and birth month and year from across the United States to yield false matches.

"If the lists are linked based on name and birth date alone, in a state the size of Michigan, you're guaranteed to get false positives," says Prof Justin Levitt, an expert on the law of democracy.

It's known as the birthday problem - the high probability that two students in the same class share the same birthday.
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Childlike Empress said:
I've made a comment under the YT-Video that deals with the lengthy Naim Kabir thing the section in your document is based upon. Took me around five minutes, and in another comment I dealt with a similar lenghty google spread sheet as well.

The fundamental "error" both make is that they get wrong what is actually plotted in the video - which renders all their calculations moot. Their "misunderstanding" is derived from a not very precisely formulated bullet point in the video, one that can only be "misunderstood" if one stops to watch the video there. So they claim the Y-Axis shows something it doesn't show and go on with stun grenades after that.

Pantomime debunking.

edit: for convenience (Youtube is almost unusable as discussion platform, takes me long enough to find my own posts):

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I think you are being a tad unfair on yourself, your debunking wasn’t pantomime it was just wrong.
 
Minoosh said:
The USPS did miss an Election Day deadline to sweep for ballots because it was trying to expedite deliveries of in-hand ballots. They did continue the sweeping process amidst its other, equally pressing deadlines. Things don't always get scanned to prove they were delivered. There are other ways for a mail-in voter to confirm their ballot was received and I have not heard an outcry from people whose ballots went "missing." The Postal Service was damned if they did, damned if they didn't stop delivering ballots in order to sweep facilities. Meanwhile, the Postal Service is run by a Trump appointee with a motive to sabotage delivery capabilities. Finally, late mail-in ballots probably favor Biden by a significant margin.

All of this has been explained to Chris ad nauseam but he'll keep on saying there's no direct evidence they were delivered. There is circumstantial evidence, though - hundreds of thousand of voters have not claimed their ballots disappeared. Judges have pointed out the lack of evidence in dismissing various lawsuits. I don't mind people arguing for sport of it, but IMO that's what's going on. The Trump apologists don't seem to have their hearts in it. That's entirely subjective of course and I could be wrong.

Other people have argued the same things; I did this summary for my own benefit.
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Ok, so here’s what we've got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, neglected to scan 300K+ ballots without regard to who or where they came from or who the votes were for, making sure by this action to call attention to those ballots, but didn't bother to make sure that the ballots, although not scanned, were not also delivered and counted, making the whole exercise kind of pointless; all possibly on behalf of Trump, possibly Biden, possibly just because they could, possibly as part of a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. We’re through the looking glass, here, people.
 
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shuttlt said:
Well, if that's what they were doing then that is terrible as well and there is some level of similarity in the nature of the terrible. People have to be allowed to vote without pressure. My feeling is that the left has a much greater level of cultural hegemony. I don't believe the right have the power to do what is being done to these lawyers. Cancel culture is overwhelmingly a tool of the left.
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Trump is a lefty? He's tried to cancel Rolling Stone, The New Yorker, Univision, Apple, the NFL, CNN, AT&T, Twitter, Facebook, Goodyear along with various individuals - specifically journalists. Seems to have a problem with the 1st amendment.
 
EVIDENCE OF VOTING FRAUD HAS BEEN FOUND!!!

Chester County prosecutors announced Friday that they had filed charges against a 71-year-old registered Republican who cast two ballots on Election Day — one on behalf of himself, the other in the name of his son.

Donning sunglasses to hide his identity, prosecutors said, Ralph Thurman returned to his polling place in Malvern after voting once and tried to pass himself off as his son.

Poll workers recognized him and, according to the affidavit filed in his case, Thurman “hurriedly fled the building.”
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https://fusion.inquirer.com/news/pe...-wright-court-linda-kerns-biden-20201113.html
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
To me it is concerning. How many swing state ballots would be needed to change the results? 300K? Isn't it odd almost that exact amount was never confirmed as delivered by the USPS?
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Even supposing 300K is just the right number, is it suspicious if this is the number missing? Well, I guess it might be suspicious if we assume that prior to the election, the nefarious conspirators knew almost precisely how many and which ballots to lose in order to throw the results.

Quite clever, really.

Or, on the other hand, perhaps the conspiracy happened after the election, when conspirators for Trump wanted to sow false doubt on the results so they spread disinformation that there were 300k ballots that went missing. At that point, they'd know that was about the right number to make people worry about fraud. Any higher would be dismissed as unlikely and any lower would be too few to matter.

By gum. You've convinced me. There was a conspiracy at the Trump loyalist-run post office.
 
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