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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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Regardless of who wins, we absolutely MUST create a groundswell of public support for burying the Electoral College in the dustbin of history.

I'm certainly in favor of this.

Though a large task, today’s technology puts online voting within reach. With 2-factor authentication, and the vast majority of US citizens already having a unique ID - their social security number - the foundation is already there.

I'm notably not in favor of this, personally. Putting the voting system online invites serious security risks that are even greater than the risks involved with purely electronic voting machines that leave no verifiable paper trail.

Won't happen. The GOP will never agree. Why would they? When was the last time one of their candidates won the popular vote?

On a slightly different angle, it's also asking the less populated states to reduce the power that they hold voluntarily. The vote of a voter in Wyoming, for example, weighs dramatically more than that of a voter in California, so there's some inherent resistance when it comes to people who supposedly should be working to help their constituents.
 
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He'll have to hand-pick a successor to protect himself from prosecution, which is how Yeltsin chose Putin in the first place. So my enthusiasm for the potential end of Putin's career is tempered by my concern for what a corrupt sack of crap he might choose to fill his spot.

Even that will be difficult for Putin. He knows he'll be a potential threat to any successor, so will only leave the Kremlin feet first.
 
Half expecting the Secret Service to have to drag him out of the Oval Office and toss him through the gate come January.
No need to do that...

Just lay a trail of cheeseburgers and KFC out the door of the whitehouse and watch Trump follow it.
 
I agree that the EC should be consigned to history, but electronic voting is a TERRIBLE idea.

It's not feasible using current technology.

Votes must be anonymous and voting must be secure. With todays tech you can pick one and only one of those 2 options.


Exactly. And that's being optimistic - you'd probably end up with neither.

As well as this, the system needs to be transparent - most people could understand how the UK system (for example) works to protect the integrity of the ballot. That's not true for some esoteric electronic system... where attacks can come from parts of the system not envisioned as vulnerable.
 
And all the legal experts are saying the so far Trump's charges of fraud are ridiculous because of total lack of evidence.
he can file all he wants, but sounds to me like his legal chances are low.

There is one legal challenge in Pennsylvania that could have legs.

I haven't followed the ins and outs of it, but there is a challenge about late arriving absentee ballots that Trump could conceivably win. I don't know if enough votes are involved to tip it back his way if he wins. There might be.

From what I understand of the suit, I think it ought to be decided against him, but it's not an open and shut case, and the Senate confirmed Amy Coney Barrett instead of me for that open Supreme Court position.
 
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Even that will be difficult for Putin. He knows he'll be a potential threat to any successor, so will only leave the Kremlin feet first.

I'm OK with that. But it would be a satisfying justice if he left feet first out of a top floor window, in yet another "tragic accident".
 
Though a large task, today’s technology puts online voting within reach. With 2-factor authentication, and the vast majority of US citizens already having a unique ID - their social security number - the foundation is already there.
I'm notably not in favor of this, personally. Putting the voting system online invites serious security risks that are even greater than the risks involved with purely electronic voting machines that leave no verifiable paper trail.
As often the case, XKCD for the the win...

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Won't happen. You forget what a coward he is.

Which is why I think there is a chance that, after a few weeks of screaming, and after his legal channlenges go nowhere he will end up conceding. Classic Bully, first time he gets stood up to, he wimps out.
 
So 309 to 229? I'll take that and be happy.

Correction: 306 to 232. I did some math wrong.

George W Bush's second term.

I don't really count that. Yeah I know "technically" but Bush never would have gotten a second term without the first. It's the "The second million is easier to make than the first million" of politics.

Really Reagan was the last real Republican "win" that the majority of Americans got behind. George H. W. Bush only did one term and ran almost entirely on "Keeping the Reagan Administrations Going" so his term was more like Reagan's third term that his first.

The Republicans have not had majority support in America for a long time.

In many ways Nixon really did kill the Republican Party, but it's been having really long death twitches.
 
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Hey foreign types.

Context. How long does it take for you guys to get results after major but routine elections?
Here is what happens in Germany say for the Federal parliament, i.e. the most important election:
if you are older than 18 you are automatically registered as a voter and will receive the paperwork you need for the actual vote by mail some weeks ahead.
Election day is always on a Sunday and you go to your designated voting site (usually a school) between 8AM and 6PM. In most cases you can literally walk there, since voting districts are pretty small.
You get in, wait for maybe a couple of minutes, get your ballot (an actual piece of paper listing the parties running for parliament, get in a booth, make your mark, seal the envelope, throw it in a box and are done.
The media are not allowed to publish any prognosis numbers on election day before 6PM. Vote counting starts at 6PM and is public, i.e. everybody may watch.
Then on 6.01PM the media will publish a prognosis based on polling people after they voted. That gives already a pretty good guess.
Over the next couple of hours, once results from the voting districts come in, a series of increasingly precise projections come in showing the seat distribution of parliament. Those numbers are usually reliable by 11PM except if a party is very close to the 5% threshold (a party needs at least 5% to get in). We usually have a "preliminary" official total result by Monday morning and the "final" official a week or two later (a formality, the result won't change).
So, pretty quick with the voting results, but the negotiation between the parties on how to form a new government (and who will be chancellor) can take weeks or months depending on the seat distribution giving one party or obvious coallition an absolute majority or not.
 
Anybody else think the White House is a lot like the movie "Downfall" at this moment?

He even has the bunker. You know Trump is going absolutely insane right now, blaming anyone within earshot and eyeshot.
 
Apparently Fox has said that, due to pending lawsuits, they'll not call Biden president even if (when) Biden wins.

ETA: That is, even if (when) they call it for Biden, they won't consider him to be president.
 
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Which is why I think there is a chance that, after a few weeks of screaming, and after his legal channlenges go nowhere he will end up conceding. Classic Bully, first time he gets stood up to, he wimps out.

Add to that that the right-wing extremists don't manage to start a civil war?
 
Here's a question...

What is happening in North Carolina? People have been paying so much attention to the results in Georgia and Pennsylvania that North Carolina has been ignored, like a salad at a Trump dinner.

According to google, Trump leads there by about 1.4%, but they are still only at 94% reporting. Is there a chance of another state shifting to Biden as mail-in and provisional votes are counted? Or is the vote gap just too great?

(I know that Biden wouldn't need North Carolina if he has the other states, but the bigger the loss by Trump, the better it is for the U.S., and the more cushion that they have in case of problems with recounts, etc.)
 
CNN reports that FoxNews has circulated a memo directing all its talking heads not to use the term "President-Elect" for Biden, ostensibly because of the outstanding legal protests.


(eta: ninja'd, but perhaps clarified above)
Apparently Fox has said that, due to pending lawsuits, they'll not call Biden president even if (when) Biden wins.

ETA: That is, even if (when) they call it for Biden, they won't consider him to be president.
 
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Here's a question...

What is happening in North Carolina? People have been paying so much attention to the results in Georgia and Pennsylvania that North Carolina has been ignored, like a salad at a Trump dinner.

According to google, Trump leads there by about 1.4%, but they are still only at 94% reporting. Is there a chance of another state shifting to Biden as mail-in and provisional votes are counted? Or is the vote gap just too great?

(I know that Biden wouldn't need North Carolina if he has the other states, but the bigger the loss by Trump, the better it is for the U.S., and the more cushion that they have in case of problems with recounts, etc.)

As I understand it, North Carolina, like a lot of states, allow ballots that are postmarked by election day, but not received for some days after, to be included in the count. However, unlike other states, they also have a rule that no late arriving ballots will be counted until the deadline for late arrivals has passed. In other words, there are a whole bunch of ballots just piling up in storage until the deadline passes for receiving any more.

From what I understand, a Biden victory in NC is only a theoretical possibility. The state is expected to go to Trump.


And, I might have the details wrong. The part I was sure I understood from what I read was that there are bunch, over 100,000, of unopened ballots tjat won't be opened for a few days yet.
 
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