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2020 Presidential Election part 2

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Captain_Swoop said:
The simplest solution, surely, is that Biden has the White House on Monday to Wednesday, Trump takes it Thursday to Saturday, and Kanye has Sundays.
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Have you even considered the option of drawing a line through the middle of the Oval Office?

"The big red phone is on my side!" "Well, the bathroom is on my side, so you if you want to tweet on the toilet, you'll have to let me talk to Putin this time!"

Plus the daily spectacle of them offering bribes to the guy with the nuclear football to move from one side of the room to the other.
 
lionking said:
The whining on Fox News is delicious. They know they will lose, but keep raging against the dying of the light.
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Bad losers in 2012, bad losers in 2020.

I wonder why they're still defending Trump, though. I'd have thought it'd be smarter to cut losses and run by now.
 
TofuFighter said:
Once he leaves office he can block all the naysayers though. I wonder if he'll have to do that himself or will he have to pay someone to do it for him.
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That hasn't really been the main problem so far though, it's his constant flouting of the rules, knowing that Twitter were valuing the traffic and exposure he brought to their platform over enforcing their own rules. They literally had to make up an excuse, creating the "newsworthy individual"-category to allow trump to continue tweeting.

Edit: I mean, more than one Twitter account has been banned for promoting violence etc. after repeating trump tweets.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Bad losers in 2012, bad losers in 2020.

I wonder why they're still defending Trump, though. I'd have thought it'd be smarter to cut losses and run by now.
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Nothing political here, it's just maximizing ad sales. If the trump voters lose interest in the election, they will just check Fox news once in the morning and once in the evening. If you keep the race alive, they watch it all day.

And this is essential to keep the economy going by selling Bud Light and Doritos.
 
Pixel42 said:
If the reports of him resigning due to having Parkinson's are correct, probably not many.
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He'll have to hand-pick a successor to protect himself from prosecution, which is how Yeltsin chose Putin in the first place. So my enthusiasm for the potential end of Putin's career is tempered by my concern for what a corrupt sack of crap he might choose to fill his spot.
 
Foster Zygote said:
He'll have to hand-pick a successor to protect himself from prosecution, which is how Yeltsin chose Putin in the first place. So my enthusiasm for the potential end of Putin's career is tempered by my concern for what a corrupt sack of crap he might choose to fill his spot.
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The corruption in a internal Russian matter and a Russian problem. it's the rabid Russian Nationalism and the attempts to rebuild the Russian Empire that concern me.
 
dudalb said:
The corruption in a internal Russian matter and a Russian problem. it's the rabid Russian Nationalism and the attempts to rebuild the Russian Empire that concern me.
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They are two parts of the same thing, though: those in power push rabid nationalism to distract from their corruption. That's fairly universal, hardly unique to Russia. The other route is to push religion to distract from corruption. The important thing is to keep the population busy being angry at/focused on something else besides the kleptocracy.
 
TragicMonkey said:
They are two parts of the same thing, though: those in power push rabid nationalism to distract from their corruption. That's fairly universal, hardly unique to Russia. The other route is to push religion to distract from corruption. The important thing is to keep the population busy being angry at/focused on something else besides the kleptocracy.
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True, but I think Putin's rabid nationalism is sincere;he really wants to be some kind of Tsar over a restored Russian/Soviet Empire. That is helps distracts from his corruption is just a nice bonus.
 
qarnos said:
So yeah, Georgia will be a recount and I can't understand why NC hasn't been called (at least not on Australian ABC).
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Probably because of a simply unknown amount of ballots to be delivered and counted.

Safe-Keeper said:
Bad losers in 2012, bad losers in 2020.

I wonder why they're still defending Trump, though. I'd have thought it'd be smarter to cut losses and run by now.
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To poke a bit at how Fox works much of the time - one of their main methods of choosing what to focus on and say in a particular day has apparently been to pay attention to what topics are generating the most interaction on Fox Nation, Breitbart, etc, and then amplifying those things.
 
Aridas said:
To poke a bit at how Fox works much of the time - one of their main methods of choosing what to focus on and say in a particular day has apparently been to pay attention to what topics are generating the most interaction on Fox Nation, Breitbart, etc, and then amplifying those things.
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Indeed. They are not doing it because of Trump. They do it because of Trump's audience. And that won't vanish overnight.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Just your reminder that Biden is over 4 million votes ahead of Trump overall. We're only doing this dance because of an outdated, undemocratic system.
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Regardless of who wins, we absolutely MUST create a groundswell of public support for burying the Electoral College in the dustbin of history.

Though a large task, today’s technology puts online voting within reach. With 2-factor authentication, and the vast majority of US citizens already having a unique ID - their social security number - the foundation is already there. No doubt a non-trivial task for an Amendment to find super-majorities in both chambers, and then to be approved by 3/4 of the states, but with 4 years to go to the next Presidential election, it just might be doable - if we start now!

Let’s do it!
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Regardless of who wins, we absolutely MUST create a groundswell of public support for burying the Electoral College in the dustbin of history.

Though a large task, today’s technology puts online voting within reach. With 2-factor authentication, and the vast majority of US citizens already having a unique ID - their social security number - the foundation is already there. No doubt a non-trivial task for an Amendment to find super-majorities in both chambers, and then to be approved by 3/4 of the states, but with 4 years to go to the next Presidential election, it just might be doable - if we start now!

Let’s do it!
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I think we need more states to be like Nebraska and Maine...and split their electorial votes among the candiates according to what percentage of the vote they get. I would rather see the EC abolished altogether, but I don't think that is doable.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Regardless of who wins, we absolutely MUST create a groundswell of public support for burying the Electoral College in the dustbin of history.

Though a large task, today’s technology puts online voting within reach. With 2-factor authentication, and the vast majority of US citizens already having a unique ID - their social security number - the foundation is already there. No doubt a non-trivial task for an Amendment to find super-majorities in both chambers, and then to be approved by 3/4 of the states, but with 4 years to go to the next Presidential election, it just might be doable - if we start now!

Let’s do it!
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Won't happen. The GOP will never agree. Why would they? When was the last time one of their candidates won the popular vote?
 
dudalb said:
I think we need more states to be like Nebraska and Maine...and split their electorial votes among the candiates according to what percentage of the vote they get. I would rather see the EC abolished altogether, but I don't think that is doable.
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Problem is that's not what Nebraska and Maine are doing.

They award 2 votes to the winner of the state, and 1 vote to the winner of each of their congressional districts.

That means that their system is one more incentive to gerrymander the state.

Obama would have lost in 2012 if all states had used the Maine/Nebraska system.
 
dudalb said:
I think we need more states to be like Nebraska and Maine...and split their electorial votes among the candiates according to what percentage of the vote they get. I would rather see the EC abolished altogether, but I don't think that is doable.
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Um, they don't do that.

They split their EC votes among congressional districts + 2 for the state winner.

That is rife for corruption by gerrymandering. Wouldn't work at all nationwide
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Regardless of who wins, we absolutely MUST create a groundswell of public support for burying the Electoral College in the dustbin of history.

Though a large task, today’s technology puts online voting within reach. With 2-factor authentication, and the vast majority of US citizens already having a unique ID - their social security number - the foundation is already there.


Let’s do it!
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I agree that the EC should be consigned to history, but electronic voting is a TERRIBLE idea.

It's not feasible using current technology.

Votes must be anonymous and voting must be secure. With todays tech you can pick one and only one of those 2 options.
 
I'm not sure I understand the thinking behind the idea that the EC can be fixed by having each state apportion its EC votes according to percentage of popular votes each candidate gets in that state. That doesn't "fix" the EC, it makes it redundant- it's a smaller reflection of the nationwide popular vote, so what's the point in having it at all? Either get rid of the thing altogether, or leave it alone and admit that states are people too.
 
It's official: Trump has no plans to concede, even when it's clear he has no path to victory. What a douche.

ETA: "Official" meaning this was reported by the CNN White House correspondent after speaking with Trump's people.
 
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