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Trump and Melania test positive test positive for Covid 19

it’s October and flu season is starting again and the US is thick with coronavirus and it’s still growing in all 50 states. why are we talking about travel bans from 8 months ago like it was effective?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
It's extremely important to point out the steps that were taken by President Trump early on. It's also important to note what the other side was saying about those steps early on. The difference is in lives saved versus lives lost.

I'm sure if one life was saved due to his early actions the President would consider being called "xenophobic" and "racist" a small price to pay.
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The travel bans were one of the few actions he’s taken at all, and they were mostly null due to his lack of any coherent follow up action. There’s a reason why when he’s talking about decisive actions he’s taken as the president to combat the coronavirus he brings up a China travel ban and kind of trails off afterwards.

Plus I think he’d probably make a big deal about how unfair and mean people are to him as he typically does.
 
It truly is remarkable how people can blind themselves to facts when the need to believe in someone or something is so strong. It's how cult leaders like Jim Jones, Warren Jeffs, David Koresh, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh et al. were able to induce such loyalty in their followers. We see the same loyalty in so many Trump followers, a few even here in ISF. No amount of facts presented to them can sway them from their loyalty to Trump. Facts just don't matter. The defense of Trump is all that matters. There truly is a Cult of Trump.
 
Ryokan said:
I didn't really specify my own country. I'm more than happy to compare USA and EU as a whole, or even as individual countries.

And we're not talking about the whole response, are we? We're talking about how our leaders behaved. What they told us and how they treated us.

So, what other western leaders lied about and downplayed the pandemic like Trump did? I'm sure it's a hard question for you to answer.

As for your conspiracy theory, I will note that Trump was handwaving away cases numbering in the hundreds when the pandemic was ravaging Italy.
Shame you didn't learn anything from that like the rest of Europe did. You could have saved thousands of lives.
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Citing President Trump's response to the situation in Italy disproves your narrative.

As far as your question about Trump I decline to answer because of the specific wording. It's akin to "When did you stop beating your wife?" It's silly and aside from this post I won't waste any more of my time with questions of that nature and narrative.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
My words you quoted:
"Trump announced a restriction on all incoming travel from China, effective on February 2."

Do you see how you kinda missed the boat on this one?
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You think everyone travels direct from one country to another? The fact is Trump knew about the virus. Knew it was deadly and did little to nothing to protect the country from it. He disbanded the White House Pandemic response team. Eliminated the embedded CDC position in China, failed to prevent incoming travel and downplayed the dangerousness of the disease day after day after day. He held political rallies where people did not wear masks or practice social distancing.

You can pretend Trump has responded intelligently and competently to the pandemic but the facts did not support this in January or February or yesterday. A thousand people a day in the US are dying from COVID and according to studies if people follow Trump's lead on not wearing masks and not taking the virus seriously that number will more than double by January.
Simply encouraging people to wear masks and practice social distancing we can save 200,000 lives by the end of the year.

Trump has demonstrated incompetence on a major scale. He is reckless and dangerous.
 
At least with Jim Jones you got the sweet, fruity taste of Flavor-Aid(TM) when you drank the poison.
 
JoeMorgue said:
But he didn't save lives. People died. A lot of people. Are still dying.

Let me know where I lost you. Or to be more accurate let me know where your troll persona is going to start pretending to get lost.
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Absolutely President Trump has saved lives. People have died and are still doing so. Trump is blameless and to put the blame of Covid 19 and the resulting deaths on the President is the Mount Everest of political spin and lies.

"xenophobe" remember? Perhaps you selectively forget the Democratic leadership and its prominent members lack of action and opposition to those actions taken by President Trump to combat Covid 19. Those clips are still out there you know.

Factually, if Biden had been our President he would not have put any travel restrictions in place. He would have went with the WHO scientists. The ones in China's pocket. The death count would have been higher and what's more the stinging thing here for you is that secretly you know I'm right.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
President Trump has done well in an unprecedented situation.
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What nonsense. Trump has cared for nothing but his own optics since day one. He created a tragic crapstand of the pandemic in America to suit his own agenda, and many have died for his stupid ego.
 
Trying to steer things back to the topic, the travel ban on Chinese immigrants did nothing to prevent Donald Trump or Melania Trump from getting the virus.


Not that any sane person would expect that it would.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
My words you quoted:
"Trump announced a restriction on all incoming travel from China, effective on February 2."

Do you see how you kinda missed the boat on this one?
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It is you who missed the boat, as I demonstrated in post 1805. The idiot in chief implemented a policy full of holes, and allowed 40,000+ to enter the country after the "ban" he rants about so proudly. Also too, the idiot allowed more to come in from Europe.

His seat of the pants, incoherent response is the reason the U.S. is performing so abysmally in comparison to other developed nations. Number 8 in per capita deaths, 4% of world population, 20% of infection.

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
7,754,561
Deaths:
216,387

Joe Biden isn't president, I am not president; Donald J. Trump is president, and his response to the pandemic is pathetic. He no leader, he is a caricature, a weak man's idea of a strong man. Wheezing Mussolini at the balcony.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Ah, progress. And which states did not receive the PPE or ventilators they requested?
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Massachusetts didn't receive the PPE we purchased (and badly needed, having the third largest outbreak in the U.S. at the time) because the Federal government seized and confiscated the shipment.

None of it was returned to Massachusetts as part of any equitable or need-based allocation plan, because there was no such plan. Nor did it go to the largest outbreak in New York. When Massachusetts later succeeded in obtaining more PPE (though only a fraction of what it had originally purchased and needed) via a private and partly clandestine international flight using the Patriots private team jetliner, they shared it with New York because New York also had received none, or grossly insufficient quantities, from the Federal government.
 
acbytesla said:
Here's the thing. From a political perspective, COVID could have been a gift to Trump. If he had risen to the task, and simply embraced the problem and showed some leadership, my guess is he might be leading in the polls instead of being down 10 to 16 points. Instead he ignored them and acted like a reckless child.

He had to demonstrate very clearly his lack of leadership.
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And that exactly is the strange thing about him: OK, he lies and cheats, but ... he is still loosing it. How incompetent can you get? It's like cheating at Poker and still get a hand of six of spades, two of hearts, three of cloves, and seven and nine of diamonds.

Hans
 
Resume said:
It is you who missed the boat, as I demonstrated in post 1805. The idiot in chief implemented a policy full of holes, and allowed 40,000+ to enter the country after the "ban" he rants about so proudly. Also too, the idiot allowed more to come in from Europe.

His seat of the pants, incoherent response is the reason the U.S. is performing so abysmally in comparison to other developed nations. Number 8 in per capita deaths, 4% of world population, 20% of infection.

United States
Coronavirus Cases:
7,754,561
Deaths:
216,387

Joe Biden isn't president, I am not president; Donald J. Trump is president, and his response to the pandemic is pathetic. He no leader, he is a caricature, a weak man's idea of a strong man. Wheezing Mussolini at the balcony.
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Yea but again: Factually, if Biden had been our President he would not have put any travel restrictions in place. He would have went with the WHO scientists. The ones in China's pocket. The death count would have been higher and what's more the stinging thing here for you is that secretly you know I'm right.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Remember the white house has had more recent infections than those nations have.
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Oh, you see, that's not fair, Trump has done more to fight corona virus than anyone else in the world! as president Trump has very limited power to do much of anything against the corona virus!

Or at least that's what the Trump supporters tell me.
 
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