Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 25

[Elagabalus]

Not a serious attempt at assassination, if that's what you're thinking...

Thanks. I wasn't. Which is why I put in this thread.

...ricin isn't effective by mere contact, and it's unlikely anybody at the White House is in the habit of immediately eating, inhaling, or injecting whatever they receive unsolicited in the mail. At a party, perhaps, but not through the mail.

Also manufactured from the Castor bean. The oil of which was once prized for its lubrication properties in early Otto-motor engines and later two-stroke motors. Castrol™ derives its name from castor oil. Anything else?

 

[shemp]

Not a serious attempt at assassination, if that's what you're thinking: ricin isn't effective by mere contact, and it's unlikely anybody at the White House is in the habit of immediately eating, inhaling, or injecting whatever they receive unsolicited in the mail. At a party, perhaps, but not through the mail.

Indeed, this was a truly pathetic attempt. They should have gone with the old tried-and-true box of coked-up rabid hamsters method. That's how they got Hitler in '45. The suicide story was a coverup.

 

[TragicMonkey]

This. It's one step up from simply a threatening letter.

Yes it should absolutely be investigated and if a culprit is found they absolutely face criminal charges of the "not a slap on the wrist" level, but that's it as far as what's worth talking about.

Given the fact that a bunch of mail bombs rated a "meh" because the bombs didn't explode and therefore "Well ackshually technically according to Hoyle I don't see what the big deal is why are you being some dramatic" I'll call this newsworthy in passing at best.

I thought perhaps the choice of ricin might have been the perpetrator's gesture to Russia, given the famous "Bulgarian Brolly" affair, but per the article the ricin mail has been going on for a while with multiple targets, so it seems the choice might have been simply the easy availability of that particular poison.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Thanks. I wasn't. Which is why I put in this thread.




Also manufactured from the Castor bean. The oil of which was once prized for its lubrication properties in early Otto-motor engines and later two-stroke motors. Castrol™ derives its name from castor oil. Anything else?

Okay, sorry for reading anything at all into your bringing up the subject. Apparently all you wanted to say was "here's a thing". Thing acknowledged. Great contribution to the subject.

 

[Elagabalus]

Okay, sorry for reading anything at all into your bringing up the subject. Apparently all you wanted to say was "here's a thing". Thing acknowledged. Great contribution to the subject.

Didn't really need the acknowledgement, but thanks.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Nope. Coll9ins is already in the biggest re-election battle she has ever had. A vote to approve will be her last and she knows it. She, among all the others, is the one I count on most.

But McConnell can foil those problems by having the vote in the lame duck.

 

[JoeMorgue]

A SCOTUS judge that gives them a 6-3 majority of an entire branch of government for the foreseeable future is worth the career of one Senator who at best is already in the twilight of her career and who's political jurisdiction consists of Stephen King, Patrick Dempsey, 3 lobsters, and a bear and I have little doubt that Trump and/or McConnell and/or the GOP in general will have no problem convincing Susan Collins of that fact.

 

[Cain]

In the past seven presidential elections (soon to be eight), Republican candidates managed to win the popular vote just once. Obama served for eight years and appointed two Justices; Trump might appoint three in just one term. It's just stupid.

As someone commented on Twitter: “contrary to our supposedly pragmatic nature, american institutions are revered in proportion to how much they do not work.”

 

[quadraginta]

I'll never forget the trail ride I took in the hills above Innsbruck when the trees started exploding. We had to ride very fast and duck occasionally when I burning tree branch hurtled our way. The tourist bureau really should have mentioned all the exploding trees when they suggested the idyllic bike ride to a picturesque alpine lake.

I once saw a tree explode.

I was at the computer desk in one of the rooms in our house at the time, and a large pine tree across the street exploded. Chunks of tree as thick as someone's thigh were blown 20 or 30 yards down the street.

It had been hit by lightning. The electric shock took out the neighbor's well pump.

No fire, though. We were in the middle of a raging deluge with rain falling in frog-strangler quantities.

The weird part was that it split the tree in two right in the middle, and the top 50 ft. or so ended up standing almost perfectly straight, right next to the bottom 50 ft..

True story.

 

[quadraginta]

They'll be very likely to get them the day after the election once reelected senators have 6 more years in their jobs and ousted senators want to express their bitterness. It's doubtful any of the remainder will actually stand up and tell McConnell no and then vote that way, regardless of what empty words they're spewing today.

That's possible, but there has also been a decided trend for out-of-office Republicans to take advantage of that freedom to express the disgust for Trump that they were unable (too chicken) to share while they were trying to stay in office.

 

[quadraginta]

Propaganda and indoctrination.

More specifically, that's fairly certainly what the actual intent is. Of some note, a number of right-wingers have been accusing schools of doing exactly that - mostly falsely, but frequently with a small grain of truth mixed in - albeit largely because schools are teaching things that they don't want to be taught. So, in the usual result of their projection, they're trying to do exactly what they're projecting onto others. I'm also reminded of a particular right-wing father that I watched, though, who specifically stated that he thinks that the only thing that he thinks that his kid needs to have as a takeaway from school is that the US is the best country in the world.

Here's a slightly different take. The kind of sanitized history they are advocating is almost exactly the kind which we were given when I was growing up. Judging from the events of the 60's and 70's, it isn't clear how effective it was.

Kids don't stay kids, and when they get old enough to contribute to their own education and have better access to facts then they can get a bit upset about the way they were lied to in school when they were younger.

I know I was.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

People who don't want best-historic-knowledge of US history taught in schools all but admit that they believe that no one could love their country if they were full aware of its history.

If you acknowledge that your patriotism is based on lies, maybe you should fix the problems instead of hoping that another layer of paint will cover them up.

 

[Mumbles]

Propaganda and indoctrination.

More specifically, that's fairly certainly what the actual intent is. Of some note, a number of right-wingers have been accusing schools of doing exactly that - mostly falsely, but frequently with a small grain of truth mixed in - albeit largely because schools are teaching things that they don't want to be taught. So, in the usual result of their projection, they're trying to do exactly what they're projecting onto others. I'm also reminded of a particular right-wing father that I watched, though, who specifically stated that he thinks that the only thing that he thinks that his kid needs to have as a takeaway from school is that the US is the best country in the world.

That's exactly what this is - the entire conference was just shilling for a textbook that claims that the people who came to the Americas found an empty land (let's ignore the tens of millions of indigenous peoples) and thirsted for freedom for all (a majority of immigrants were African slaves - particularly true in the Caribbean islands and South America). It's the usual caterwauling you would expect from a buffoon that looks up to the likes of Andrew Jackson and General Lee as unblemished "great people" whose negatives are unimportant.

 

[Stacyhs]

They don't want history to be taught; they want a 1950's Cinemascope Widescreen Color Epic version of history as written by the victors.

 

[Babbylonian]

That's possible, but there has also been a decided trend for out-of-office Republicans to take advantage of that freedom to express the disgust for Trump that they were unable (too chicken) to share while they were trying to stay in office.

Oh, they may express their disgust with Trump, but that’s a separate issue from stacking the court with regressive scumbags. After all, they intend to be wealthy even if they’re no longer senators.

 

[Lupus]

He's funded by "offshore interests", and has been for decades.

What do you mean, if he owns Trump towers offshore then of course he'd be funded by them.

Certainly Trump Enterprises alone could not have afforded to send him to Washington four years ago. Why do you think he is fighting so hard to hide his tax picture? Because he's ashamed of his Sharpie signature on them? Or that they will show he is not even a hundred-thousand-aire? Not a bit of it. It's because his "connections" will be revealed, which will show who is really pulling his strings. And no doubt some of them would rather he didn't let that happen, or they might go all Tony Soprano.

It's his personal information what his tax plan shows. I guess largely self-funded would have been a better way to describe it since he's spent 1.5 billion dollars and is now worth 2.5 billion. If Mueller reports didn't find any connections, I don't know what will.

Trump's quite amply demonstrated that Fox can fairly easily get him to change course on numerous occasions. That's even without the money part of things.

I'd love to hear an example or this happening.

We can certainly hope that things get better, though simple hope won't be enough to undo the long-term damage or do much to change the underlying drivers.

I also hope things keep getting better. Will the long-term damage be in 30 years the history books saying "Trump was actually a Russian agent who infiltrated the White House to end the sanctions on Russia."?

Go a bit later on, and "It may be that one of the key factors that explain the Republican happiness edge is no more complicated than this: Republicans have fewer financial woes than Democrats." is another sentence of note. Follow that with - "One obvious limitation of the Pew surveys discussed in this report is that they did not explore respondents’ psychological characteristics,which surely have something to say about whether a given individual is happy or not." There certainly does seem to be a gap, yes, though.

That's nonsense, because it was testing for people of equal wealth. That'd be even better if it showed equal happiness controlled for differences in depression and other mental illnesses. lol

However, they “also found that self-deceptive enhancement was higher among conservatives than liberals."

Being happy under ******** life circumstances makes you more mentally healthy, than someone that bases their mood on externals.

Studies have progressed since then as well, though. On that general topic, it's likely worth also considering some more recent studies of relevance like this one - Conservatives report, but liberals display, greater happiness. For a bit of a summation of some of it, here's another link.

I thought you had me, but the situation is actually more sad. Most liberals, similar to hippy-types act as if they are happy in front of other people but are miserable on the inside. They go out and smile and act friendly but underneath the skin tells a darker story. It's a similar story for my mother.

While ... media.

Cool story bro.
I'm not really sure what your argument is, all I heard is that you beat your Dad in a debate and he refused to acquiesce. You've done that before, right?

Regarding the first link: Interesting that you cited the graph WITHOUT the accompanying text. However, if you read that text, it says NOTHING about child sexual assaults. The graph you cited shows the Canadian *homicide rate*.

Regarding both links: Neither say a word about migrants. In fact, doing a word search on the word "migrants" in both articles shows zero results. Thus, the data you cite does not support your assertions.

I didn't need to because the homicide rate and general rate are the same. There's no other reason why the historic crime rate trends were reversed and child sexual assaults jumped up by 30%. On sexual assaults, they have a cultural event called "taharrush gamea" which unfortunately European women are now being forced to partake in. The link describes the details, which are difficult for me to type out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sexual_assault_in_Egypt#Attacks

 

[Segnosaur]

Not a serious attempt at assassination, if that's what you're thinking: ricin isn't effective by mere contact, and it's unlikely anybody at the White House is in the habit of immediately eating, inhaling, or injecting whatever they receive unsolicited in the mail. At a party, perhaps, but not through the mail.

Ah but what if it was labeled "bleach to cure Covid19"? I hear that is safe to inject.

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[carlosy]

He's not a liar. "Liar" was a concept that existed back in the Facts world. We live in the Post-Facts world now, the entire concept of a "liar" makes no sense.

Nailed!

 

[timhau]

Rasmussen only which 538 gives a rating of C+. Marist College, which receives an A+ from 538 has him at a 40% approval rating. Overall, 538's Trump approval rating is 43%. Biden is at 50%.

Rasmussen's numbers have lately been really out of whack with anyone else, way more than before. It's as if they had recalibrated their system.

 

[Norman Alexander]

What do you mean, if he owns Trump towers offshore then of course he'd be funded by them.

But he doesn't "own towers offshore" at all. Other people, and indeed other governments, loan him the money; he just licenses his name to stick a shiny sign on the top. He is beholden to these lenders, from the Middle East to Moscow.

By way of proof, the building owners have been taking Trump's name off "towers" in numerous places. That doesn't mean he no longer owns the building, it just means they ditched the sign and relationship.

It's his personal information what his tax plan shows. I guess largely self-funded would have been a better way to describe it since he's spent 1.5 billion dollars and is now worth 2.5 billion.

Trump IS Trump Enterprises. He uses it as his personal piggy-bank. And he wasn't worth more than maybe a couple of hundred thousand personally for many years, purely for tax reasons, of course. The tax returns that we have seen show that he has actually been in debt considerably at some times, hence zero tax paid. So where you get the idea he is "worth" 2.5 billion is purely Trump propaganda. He lies, and he lies about his worth with casual ease.

If Mueller reports didn't find any connections, I don't know what will.

You are mixing up two different things.

Mueller was looking for political connections, not personal business connections. And his findings were that the Trump team took advantage of Trump's personal relationship with Putin to allow Putin to provide them certain political "advantages". Perhaps not specifically illegal as per the strict interpretation of the law, but skating on ice so thin it was basically liquid.

As for Trump's business relationships with Russia and specifically Putin, they are thick as thieves, and have been for many years. Trump has been involved with the Russian mafia since before the Atlantic City casino crash days, and Putin is the long-time grand Russian mafioso supremo. They cannot have possibly avoided working together.

I also hope things keep getting better. Will the long-term damage be in 30 years the history books saying "Trump was actually a Russian agent who infiltrated the White House to end the sanctions on Russia."?



That's nonsense, because it was testing for people of equal wealth. That'd be even better if it showed equal happiness controlled for differences in depression and other mental illnesses. lol

Really, Trump is the very worst type of Russian "agent" imaginable. He can't keep his great flapping mouth shut and can't keep secrets. He would not need to be tortured to reveal all, he would need to be tortured to shut up so nobody has to endure his droning insane nonsense a moment longer.

You need to accept that Trump is in this only for himself. He doesn't give a big rat's ass about the rest of his family, the GOP, the government, the USA or any of its people including serving and past military members. Donny has demonstrated this numerous times without fail. So any "deals" he has with Putin, covert or otherwise, are for his benefit alone. And Trump has been beholden to Russian banks, i.e. Putin's piggy bank, for decades. Putin has all Trump's markers and a gun to his head.

So Donny doesn't need to be a covert agent. Putin already has his tiny pearly pink balls clutched firmly in his fist.