2020 Presidential Election

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BREAKING: Democracy Institute shows Trump up nationally and in battlegrounds:

National Popular Vote:
Trump 48
Biden 45

Battlegrounds of FL, IA, MI, MN, PA
Trump 49
Biden 42

Florida
Trump 47
Biden 44
Minnesota
Trump 48
Biden 45
New Hampshire
Trump 47
Biden 43

Electoral Projection
Trump 319
Biden 219

Enthusiasm gap is huge.
Very supportive
Trump 82%
Biden 40%

6). According to Democracy Institute the Dems badly miscalculated on BLM:
74% prefer all lives matter
26% prefer black lives matter

Trump approval is at 52 percent
(NOTE: That number is exactly what Zogby Analytics has)

"Which candidate do you trust to do the best job handling the economy?
Trump: 59%
Biden 41%

“Do you think Joe Biden is experiencing some form of cognitive decline, such as the early stages of dementia?”
Yes = 59%
No = 40%
Don’t know = 1%
 
Trump Retweeted

PollWatch
@PollWatch2020
If you want to see how good or bad a pollster is just go to Real Clear Politics and check their past predictions. Don't go to 538. Their ratings are purely political and usually upside down from reality.

We're at the point now where no pollster should be using registered voters.

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Larry Schweikart
@LarrySchweikart
There is no---ZERO---drop off in Trump support from 2016. There is 95% GOP support.
This means Trump will win FL by somewhere around 250,000-400,000 votes.
He is also ahead in OH, IA, WI, MI, and PA (I'm sure you didn't know that). His campaign is spending time in MN.
 
angrysoba said:
Well, there were quite a few people on these boards and elsewhere who said that Bernie Sanders was the better option because at least he has enthusiastic supporters, like Trump does.

And guess what people on these very boards, opposing Sanders, said?

They said:
1.) Sanders will alienate moderates and centrists.
2.) Sanders supporters and Sanders himself are like the Democrats' version of Trump.
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Without going down (and to be 1,000 percent perfectly clear this thread should NOT go down) the Sanders death spiral again, the difference is Sanders wasn't running on a "Vote for me just to troll" platform.

The Democrats don't have enough people in their base to win an election based on nothing but reflexively just doing what will make the other side mad. The Republicans did and arguably still might.

Arguments that the Democrats should pay more attention to how Republicans win elections is not the same thing as saying they should just blindly copy their playbook.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

PollWatch
@PollWatch2020
If you want to see how good or bad a pollster is just go to Real Clear Politics and check their past predictions. Don't go to 538. Their ratings are purely political and usually upside down from reality.

We're at the point now where no pollster should be using registered voters.

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Larry Schweikart
@LarrySchweikart
There is no---ZERO---drop off in Trump support from 2016. There is 95% GOP support.
This means Trump will win FL by somewhere around 250,000-400,000 votes.
He is also ahead in OH, IA, WI, MI, and PA (I'm sure you didn't know that). His campaign is spending time in MN.
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This is just some bull **** Zogby push poll. Of course, what's he's doing is building a counter argument for when he loses and the Democrats point out that the election results matched the polling data. He can now claim to his base that he has alternate polling data.
 
Another concern is that there will be no security briefs about the election. It's easy to break the rules if you blindfold the referees.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

BREAKING: Democracy Institute shows Trump up nationally and in battlegrounds:

National Popular Vote:
Trump 48
Biden 45
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That sounds legit:

The Democracy Institute is a think tank based in Washington, DC and London. It was founded in 2006.[1]

The Institute's founding Director, Patrick Basham, is an adjunct scholar with the Cato Institute,[2] and was previously the founding director of the Social Affairs Center at the Canadian Fraser Institute.[2]

The Institute's Advisory Council includes Chris Edwards, Christopher Preble and Marian Tupy of the Cato Institute, Martin Zelder of Duke University and Ivan Eland of the Independent Institute. Nigel Ashford of the Institute for Humane Studies is also a member of the Council as is Jeannie Cameron, who was formerly employed by British American Tobacco. Jeremy Lott, formerly of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, is a Senior Fellow.[3]

A 2006 Democracy Institute book by then Senior Fellow Dr. John Luik on Why Graphic Warnings Don't Work was acknowledged as being "made possible by funding provided by Imperial Tobacco Group PLC".
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Link
 
Delvo said:
The fact that the Democrats once again insisted on the weakest candidate they could find is not the problem they should focus on now. They made their bed of gravel & broken bottles and there's nowhere else to lay down anymore.

The more pertinent problem is the one that could still be changed, hypothetically: the campaign of nothingness. Not only does Biden himself flatly tell us all that he'll do nothing, but their convention also went out of its way to avoid ever mentioning an issue or policy; it was just a bunch of "Good feelings feel good!". The Republican convention kept reminding everybody of the issues and policies they stand for. It included a bunch of falsehoods, but at least it was there. And Trump finally came a bit off from his recent culture-wars obsession that wasn't getting him anywhere in the polls and started returning to the pretense at populism that won for him last time.

One of these parties is trying to win and the other is trying to lose.
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How does that not bother you?

Did Mexico pay for the wall?
Are the cities burning? And if they were (they aren't), why hasn't Trump fixed them and how is he going to fix them in his next turn?
Has he been effective dealing with COVID 19?
Do you have cheaper better healthcare?

There's a very long list of Trump's failure after failure, I suppose you've seen it. He's corrupt, making money off your tax dollars. He's given million dollar contracts to cronies.

I don't think you are looking.
 
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angrysoba said:
I don’t know if it is that tongue-in-cheek. The problem is herding where the people creating the polls get numbers that don’t seem to conform to the conventional wisdom so they massage them to be more in line.
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"herding"?

What does that mean when it comes to polling?
 
angrysoba said:
That sounds legit:

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Good work, I came to the same information via a different route:

Link from the CATO Institute on Patrick Basham

Basham runs Democracy Institute - This is their About Page

Looks like he's been around a long time. Extreme Libertarian probably made a ton off pushing the safety of tobacco and working against regulations. It's amazing to me how many of these guys came out of the 'deregulate tobacco' group. A lot of them went from that straight into global warming denial profiteering. It's no wonder he's a Trump sycophant given Trump has been on a destructive campaign to deregulate everything.

This kind of stuff is scary though because it's the beginning of an ernest push into the mainstream media propaganda.

538 doesn't even list the poll, as far as I could find, not even as a banned poll or a C- or whatever. I'm off to look further.
 
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Delvo said:
How does making obviously false accusations like that not bother you?
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So it bothers you, just not enough?

It bothers you but you can pick and choose what to believe? Most of what Trump claimed he was going to do were lies. How is that different this time?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
So it bothers you, just not enough?

It bothers you but you can pick and choose what to believe? Most of what Trump claimed he was going to do were lies. How is that different this time?
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Trump will do it within the next two weeks this time....
 
rockysmith76 said:
unless the dems get off their ass and get out to vote and get Biden in. What will they cry about then if he wins? Hmmmmmm....
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Um.....they did get out and vote in 2016 by 3 million more votes. It's rather difficult to win when the electoral college allows for a minority of voters in a handful of states to elect the POTUS.
 
Delvo said:
The fact that the Democrats once again insisted on the weakest candidate they could find is not the problem they should focus on now. They made their bed of gravel & broken bottles and there's nowhere else to lay down anymore.
One of these parties is trying to win and the other is trying to lose.
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How is Biden a weak candidate? He's a career politician with eight years of President-adjacent experience, who doesn't have the decades of virulent anti-Clinton throw-mud-at-the-wall-until-something-sticks, and he's male so the anti-female-in-power bias won't come into force against him. He's fit enough to not have to get a doctor to lie for him, is capable of reading from a teleprompter AND put in appropriate pauses and emotion because he comprehends the speech he's giving. He knows the party platform and speaks on it when interviewed. Biden marks a return to stable, sensible government for the people, by the people, and of the people, rather than the blatant destruction of the government to replace with....what exactly? Monarchy? Theocratic dictatorship?
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
How is Biden a weak candidate? He's a career politician with eight years of President-adjacent experience, who doesn't have the decades of virulent anti-Clinton throw-mud-at-the-wall-until-something-sticks, and he's male so the anti-female-in-power bias won't come into force against him. He's fit enough to not have to get a doctor to lie for him, is capable of reading from a teleprompter AND put in appropriate pauses and emotion because he comprehends the speech he's giving. He knows the party platform and speaks on it when interviewed. Biden marks a return to stable, sensible government for the people, by the people, and of the people, rather than the blatant destruction of the government to replace with....what exactly? Monarchy? Theocratic dictatorship?
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Agreed. I am so tired of this oft repeated claim that Biden is a 'weak' candidate. About the only thing they trot out in support is that he might have dementia because he is prone to 'gaffes'. Well, holy crap, people...look at the crap Trump spews out multiple times on a daily basis and it makes Biden's 'gaffes' look like moments of genius.
 
Stacyhs said:
Um.....they did get out and vote in 2016 by 3 million more votes. It's rather difficult to win when the electoral college allows for a minority of voters in a handful of states to elect the POTUS.
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unless it works in their favor then its dandy.....spare me
 
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