Judge's son gunned down, hitman found dead in car

[smartcooky]

The next judge to be appointed for the Deutsche Bank case is going to be **** scared regardless

No, they won't

as will those picked for the jury and the prosecution team.

No, they won't

Well, we'll see. Let's see if security is stepped up. If so, then we know the FBI have their doubts this killing was a straightforward murder/suicide with nothing to do with the upcoming case.

Only in the minds of the miniscule number of people who are bat-**** crazy enough believe there is any validity to all the Stupid you've been spouting.

ETA: semi-ninja'd by Babbylonian

 

[RedStapler]

The next judge to be appointed for the Deutsche Bank case is going to be **** scared regardless, as will those picked for the jury and the prosecution team. Well, we'll see. Let's see if security is stepped up. If so, then we know the FBI have their doubts this killing was a straightforward murder/suicide with nothing to do with the upcoming case.

And if not you will, as usual, act like you never made any claims about anything just like the CT 101 manual told you to.

 

[BStrong]

The next judge to be appointed for the Deutsche Bank case is going to be **** scared regardless, as will those picked for the jury and the prosecution team. Well, we'll see. Let's see if security is stepped up. If so, then we know the FBI have their doubts this killing was a straightforward murder/suicide with nothing to do with the upcoming case.

Only if they'd buy into your line of nonsense.

The RW isn't an action movie.

 

[Axxman300]

The next judge to be appointed for the Deutsche Bank case is going to be **** scared regardless, as will those picked for the jury and the prosecution team. Well, we'll see. Let's see if security is stepped up. If so, then we know the FBI have their doubts this killing was a straightforward murder/suicide with nothing to do with the upcoming case.

You clearly have not met our U.S. Marshall Service.

 

[Craig4]

A news outlet is now suggesting the murder was somehow linked to Judge Salas being Hispanic.



So here comes the new conspiracy theory:



This presupposes Roy Den Hollander was a racist which IMV is begging the question, just as much as it begs the question, 'Judge Salas was shot [- by proxy of her son instead of her -] because she was a woman' or because 'She once crossed the guy's path five years ago and he had a grudge ever since', [despite her finding in favour his motion].

The fact she was female and latina, does not make it so IMV that these are the reasons she was targetted. The 'voice of reason' believes this to be the obvious reason and any other consideration is a crazy conspiracy theory, despite the fact Judge Salas had been handed the potentially highly conroversial Deutsche Bank corruption case just five days earlier implicating the influential movers and shakers that run the establishment.

Of course, the self-professed 'voice of reason' doesn't have enough reason to work out that a guy with terminal cancer who hates women and Hispanics and who wants to make a point have just gunned down any such individual from his car window, without having to dress up in costume and attend a specific address.

The 'voice of reason': hahaha!

You know, this is a real human tragedy that involves real people. One of those people died, and two lost their only child. It's frankly despicable of you to make a game out something so horrific as a family torn about by a murder.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Why did Deutsche Bank have Hollander's MRA rival killed?

Since we're ignoring the clear motives of a deeply misogynistic, bitter MRA type and instead claiming that he killed on behalf of the German bank, what benefit is there for bumping off some MRA lawyer in California?

Vixen, you keep trying to claim that it's absurd that a MRA loser would go on a suicidal vendetta. Are you not aware of the tremendous violence associated with MRA/incel types in the US? Gunning down perceived enemies, especially uppity women, is not exactly breaking new ground for these degenerates.

 

[Vixen]

You know, this is a real human tragedy that involves real people. One of those people died, and two lost their only child. It's frankly despicable of you to make a game out something so horrific as a family torn about by a murder.

All in your mind.

 

[Vixen]

Why did Deutsche Bank have Hollander's MRA rival killed?

Since we're ignoring the clear motives of a deeply misogynistic, bitter MRA type and instead claiming that he killed on behalf of the German bank, what benefit is there for bumping off some MRA lawyer in California?

Vixen, you keep trying to claim that it's absurd that a MRA loser would go on a suicidal vendetta. Are you not aware of the tremendous violence associated with MRA/incel types in the US? Gunning down perceived enemies, especially uppity women, is not exactly breaking new ground for these degenerates.

I disagree it is an every day crime.

Simply saying, oh she was a woman, or oh, she was a Latina: that explains it, then! Is begging the question.

There are plenty of misogynists and xenophobics populating the world but they do not go around perpetrating murders in elaborate plots involving costume, thus it is perfectly reasonable to ask 'Is this really the reason she was targetted, bearing in mind she had just been appointed judge of the Deutsche Bank Epstein Money Laundering issues, amongst others'.

If you really think the likes of Wexner and the organised criminal gangs who have laundered their money through Deutsche Bank are totally benign and regular fellows, then you are naive.

Sure Roy Den Hollander might have been a bonafide nutter-killer but it deserves greater investigation as of the time it happened. But of course, people only believe what is written for them in the Murdoch newspapers. Anything else is CT.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I disagree it is an every day crime.

Simply saying, oh she was a woman, or oh, she was a Latina: that explains it, then! Is begging the question.

There are plenty of misogynists and xenophobics populating the world but they do not go around perpetrating murders in elaborate plots involving costume, thus it is perfectly reasonable to ask 'Is this really the reason she was targetted, bearing in mind she had just been appointed judge of the Deutsche Bank Epstein Money Laundering issues, amongst others'.

If you really think the likes of Wexner and the organised criminal gangs who have laundered their money through Deutsche Bank are totally benign and regular fellows, then you are naive.

Sure Roy Den Hollander might have been a bonafide nutter-killer but it deserves greater investigation as of the time it happened. But of course, people only believe what is written for them in the Murdoch newspapers. Anything else is CT.

Knocking on a door with a Fedex box and a polo shirt and gunning down whoever answers isn't elaborate by any description. This sounds like a very lazy and easy way to commit a murder.

ETA: Fedex uniform shirts are available on eBay for less than $50.

 

[Vixen]

A pretty heartrending appeal here by Judge Salas to protect judges better. I can't believe Judges' home addresses are available on the internet in the USA.

Judges addresses are never revealed on the UK court websites.

If Esther Salas is continuing to judge the case it shows enormous guts.

n an emotional video statement released on Monday, Judge Salas described the incident while urging lawmakers to help protect judges from future attacks.

"My family has experienced a pain that no one should ever have to endure," she said.

"And I am here asking everyone to help me ensure that no one ever has to experience this kind of pain. We may not be able to stop something like this from happening again, but we can make it hard for those who target us to track us down."

 

[TurkeysGhost]

A pretty heartrending appeal here by Judge Salas to protect judges better. I can't believe Judges' home addresses are available on the internet in the USA.

Judges addresses are never revealed on the UK court websites.

If Esther Salas is continuing to judge the case it shows enormous guts.

Guts, or she doesn't believe the murder had anything to do with the upcoming case.

If this was a hit to affect the outcome of the Deutsche Bank case, it was extremely incompetently done. The hitman either killed the wrong person, or the judge doesn't understand the true message being sent here and instead assumes it's the work of some unrelated MRA crank. Either way, the bank case hasn't been derailed.

 

[Craig4]

All in your mind.

No, the young man is really dead and his parents are really in mourining and you are making a game out of it.

 

[Craig4]

A pretty heartrending appeal here by Judge Salas to protect judges better. I can't believe Judges' home addresses are available on the internet in the USA.

Judges addresses are never revealed on the UK court websites.

If Esther Salas is continuing to judge the case it shows enormous guts.

And yet you still make a game out of her son's death.

 

[Vixen]

No, the young man is really dead and his parents are really in mourining and you are making a game out of it.

Rubbish. Virtue signalling noted.

 

[Craig4]

Rubbish. Virtue signalling noted.

If you really cared, your work would be better. Your thought process might have some rigor to it. In short, you would take it seriously. Instead you hold up your unsupported incredulity and belief that the world is organized as if it was a summer action thriller movie like it has the same quality as evidence. Instead you choose to treat this tragedy like it happened for your amusement.

 

[JesseCuster]

"elaborate plots involving costume"

You think getting your hands on a FedEx uniform is an "elaborate plot"? Getting a FedEx uniform isn't like getting a fake passport or something you have to go through elaborate means to get.

If you really think the likes of Wexner and the organised criminal gangs who have laundered their money through Deutsche Bank are totally benign and regular fellows, then you are naive.

Who said that gangs laundering money through Deutsche Bank were "totally benign and regular fellows"? No-one, that's who. That is "all in your mind".

But of course, people only believe what is written for them in the Murdoch newspapers. Anything else is CT.

You claim to be only reporting what you're reading in the media, yet you've concocted a fantasy about this fellow being involved in espionage, setting up security systems for the Russian, possibly working as a double agent and being setup as a patsy for the crime and then suicided afterward. This is "all in your mind" as you've reported nothing in the media that confirms any of this, despite your claim that you're only reporting what's in the media.

Ironic that you're lambasting others for believing what's in the media while reporting your own fantasies as being what's in the media and using that as the basis for your fantasy conspiracy.

If someone wants to send a message to the judge involved in this case, then why make it look like it was perpetrated by a misogynistic MRA nutter with a grudge against the judge who then committed suicide after a failed attempt at killing her? Where's the threat now that would scare the judge if the would be assassin was a lone nutter who's now dead?

 

[BStrong]

perpetrating murders in elaborate plots

Put on jacket.

Knock on door.

Shoot when opened.

If that's "elaborate"...

 

[Vixen]

You think getting your hands on a FedEx uniform is an "elaborate plot"? Getting a FedEx uniform isn't like getting a fake passport or something you have to go through elaborate means to get.

Who said that gangs laundering money through Deutsche Bank were "totally benign and regular fellows"? No-one, that's who. That is "all in your mind".

You claim to be only reporting what you're reading in the media, yet you've concocted a fantasy about this fellow being involved in espionage, setting up security systems for the Russian, possibly working as a double agent and being setup as a patsy for the crime and then suicided afterward. This is "all in your mind" as you've reported nothing in the media that confirms any of this, despite your claim that you're only reporting what's in the media.

Ironic that you're lambasting others for believing what's in the media while reporting your own fantasies as being what's in the media and using that as the basis for your fantasy conspiracy.

If someone wants to send a message to the judge involved in this case, then why make it look like it was perpetrated by a misogynistic MRA nutter with a grudge against the judge who then committed suicide after a failed attempt at killing her? Where's the threat now that would scare the judge if the would be assassin was a lone nutter who's now dead?

I can say that because the title of the topic is: 'Judge's son gunned down, hitman found dead in car', therefore, I can proceed to discuss it. Trying to discuss me instead is derailment.

As of the time of the murder there were concerns. You can wait until Fox News or Murdoch newspapers explains it to you and avoid forums (look up the meaning of the word 'forum') or you can discuss issues that interest you here. Fact is, this guy was connected to Russian intelligence and the Judge had just been appointed to oversee the Deutsche Bank case.

 

[Vixen]

Put on jacket.

Knock on door.

Shoot when opened.

If that's "elaborate"...

Planning a calculated cold blooded murder based purely on ideology and 'nothing personal' I would say that is an act of great deliberation.

 

[BStrong]

Planning a calculated cold blooded murder based purely on ideology and 'nothing personal' I would say that is an act of great deliberation.

Nice dodging "elaborate," and your version of motive has no facts in evidence.

ETA - Impulse control as factor in criminal behavior:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/226781.pdf

A key assumption of the traditional trait-based approach to the study of crime is that personality traits cause people to act similarly across a wide array of contexts. This approach has been challenged for its failure to acknowledge differences in the social environments to which individuals are exposed.

Similarly, community-level explanations of crime have been criticized for failing to acknowledge that there are important individual differences between criminals and non-criminals. Ultimately, a full understanding of crime requires the consideration of both individual and environmental differences, perhaps most importantly because they may interact to produce offending behavior. In particular, the influence of individual traits may be context-dependent, or viewed differently, individual traits may affect how individuals respond to their social environments.