Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 23

[jrhowell]

The White House Tweeted

The White House
@WhiteHouse
"Americans harnessed electricity, split the atom, and gave the world the telephone and the internet. We settled the Wild West, won two World Wars, landed American Astronauts on the Moon—and one day soon, we will plant our flag on Mars!"

— President @realDonaldTrump

He just had to get that dog whistle in there!

 

[Resume]

We can thank President Trump for the freedom to take on the fake patriotism of phonies like Duckworth and McCain; contrast these two "heroes" with the stellar military records of Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and of course PDJT himself.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I know Tucker Carlson is a noted racist and Trump boot-licker, and probably doesn't really use any sort of logic or reasoning...

But is there a particular reason he targeted her? Did she make a notable media appearance lately? Was she involved in some law congress was passing? The possibility she may become Biden's VP pick? Or was Carlson just attacking Democrats in general and Duckworth's name stood out?

(Again, I know Trumpanzees don't act rationally, but in some cases you can point to things that trigger them.)

He was attacking her because she might be the VP.

He says people aren't supposed to criticise her because she used to be in the military but really she hates America and what it stands for.

 

[alfaniner]

I think Croatian-born Nikola Tesla was too.

For the World Wars, we (USA) sat out the first half of both so yes the other Allied forces should get the credit they deserve. I never like it when we Americans state that we won the wars, or we saved France, Britain, et al from becoming German.

Well, America won the Civil War, for sure.

 

[Segnosaur]

Re: Tucker Carlson attacking Tammy Duckworth...

But is there a particular reason he targeted her? Did she make a notable media appearance lately? Was she involved in some law congress was passing? The possibility she may become Biden's VP pick? Or was Carlson just attacking Democrats in general and Duckworth's name stood out?

He was attacking her because she might be the VP.

He says people aren't supposed to criticise her because she used to be in the military but really she hates America and what it stands for.

Was it an attack directed only at her, or did he attack all potential VP candidates, but his attack on her stood out because of her military record?

 

[TheSupermeerkat]

I think Croatian-born Nikola Tesla was too.



For the World Wars, we (USA) sat out the first half of both so yes the other Allied forces should get the credit they deserve. I never like it when we Americans state that we won the wars, or we saved France, Britain, et al from becoming German.

Also not acknowledging the Soviet Union in WW2 is one thing that annoyed me. 80% of all German military casualties occurred on the Eastern Front.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Also not acknowledging the Soviet Union in WW2 is one thing that annoyed me. 80% of all German military casualties occurred on the Eastern Front.

People quote this percentage but so what?

 

[jimbob]

Even calling what Trump does "lying" gives him too much credit.

Like you know how we can make the distinction between "wrong" and "not even wrong" on an intellectual level, where we can distinguish between 2+2=5 and 2+2=A Baked Potato?

Trump's like that. He's "Not even lying." He'd have to be more honest to be lying.

He's anti-intellectual trolling. He's not even given us the respect of just lying to us.

Exactly. A lie is more complex. You can predict what Trump will say, it will be whatever he thinks makes him look good at that time regardless of any consistency with previous statements.

That is actually one thing that hasn't changed with his increasingly-obvious dementia, as his "grab them by the pussy" comment was like that - not realising it showed him to be a creep.

 

[Ryokan]

That's the overall mortality rate though. He's probably taking about the mortality rate in the past week, past day, or past hour.
"In the period from 1:35 pm to 1:37 pm Eastern Time on July 3rd, the US had the least number of deaths per 100K population in the world. We're Number One!!"

Well, that's far from true as well.

The countries above the USA in total corona deaths are having almost no deaths at all these days.

Current death rate in the top ten deaths per capita countries (ignoring micro nations):

Yesterday:

Belgium - 0 deaths - 0 per 1 million population
UK - 16 deaths - 0,94 per million population
Spain - 3 deaths - 0,064 per million population
Italy - 8 deaths - 0,13 per million population
Sweden - 3 deaths - 0,3 per million population
France - 13 deaths - 0,2 per million population
USA - 378 deaths - 1,14 per million population
Netherlands - 1 death - 0,06 per million population

2 days ago

Belgium - 0 deaths - 0 per 1 million population
UK - 22 deaths - 0,32 per 1 million population
Spain - 0 deaths - 0 per 1 million population
Italy - 7 deaths - 0,12 per 1 million population
Sweden - 1 death - 0,1 per 1 million population
France - 7 deaths - 0,1 per 1 million population
USA - 262 deaths - 0,8 per 1 million population
Netherlands - 1 death - 0,06 per 1 million population

Now there are countries with a higher mortality rate than the USA. But there's not many of them, and it certainly doesn't seem to be much to brag about.

(Looking back at it, you're probably not really defending this, but being sarcastic. But I already did the numbers, so I will let them stand.)

 

[Ryokan]

For the World Wars, we (USA) sat out the first half of both so yes the other Allied forces should get the credit they deserve. I never like it when we Americans state that we won the wars, or we saved France, Britain, et al from becoming German.

Half? USA came rushing in at the end of WW1, fired some shots and then have later declared they won the whole thing.

Now, I'm not saying the help in both world wars were not appreciated, and probably shortened the second one quite considerably. But Americans often make it out to sound like they won both wars single handedly.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Americans often make it out to sound like they won both wars single handedly.

No, that's the English.

 

[TheSupermeerkat]

People quote this percentage but so what?

It's a large number, a very large number and a lot of blood was spilled to achieve it. But, yeah so what? It's only a bunch of dead commies.

 

[p0lka]

Well, that's far from true as well.

The countries above the USA in total corona deaths are having almost no deaths at all these days.

Current death rate in the top ten deaths per capita countries (ignoring micro nations):

Yesterday:

Belgium - 0 deaths - 0 per 1 million population
UK - 16 deaths - 0,94 per million population
Spain - 3 deaths - 0,064 per million population
Italy - 8 deaths - 0,13 per million population
Sweden - 3 deaths - 0,3 per million population
France - 13 deaths - 0,2 per million population
USA - 378 deaths - 1,14 per million population
Netherlands - 1 death - 0,06 per million population

2 days ago

Belgium - 0 deaths - 0 per 1 million population
UK - 22 deaths - 0,32 per 1 million population
Spain - 0 deaths - 0 per 1 million population
Italy - 7 deaths - 0,12 per 1 million population
Sweden - 1 death - 0,1 per 1 million population
France - 7 deaths - 0,1 per 1 million population
USA - 262 deaths - 0,8 per 1 million population
Netherlands - 1 death - 0,06 per 1 million population

Now there are countries with a higher mortality rate than the USA. But there's not many of them, and it certainly doesn't seem to be much to brag about.

(Looking back at it, you're probably not really defending this, but being sarcastic. But I already did the numbers, so I will let them stand.)

The UK is reporting 155 deaths for today, 7th july, that's a big jump from the 16 of yesterday. I'm not sure why?

 

[jimbob]

This political advert by the Lincoln Project ostensibly has a target audience of 1

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1280457599884935168

 

[Steve]

The UK is reporting 155 deaths for today, 7th july, that's a big jump from the 16 of yesterday. I'm not sure why?

Wondering if this is about the time that deaths from all the extra exposures during the protests would start to manifest.

 

[Ryokan]

The UK is reporting 155 deaths for today, 7th july, that's a big jump from the 16 of yesterday. I'm not sure why?

It happens sometimes. They were probably cases from the previous weeks which hadn't been properly reported yet.

But for today, then, the UK has a higher mortality rate than the USA.

It still doesn't help Trump's post yesterday, and it's still just one country.

 

[bonzombiekitty]

The UK is reporting 155 deaths for today, 7th july, that's a big jump from the 16 of yesterday. I'm not sure why?

Delays in reporting from the 4th of July weekend

/s

 

[tyr_13]

I know Tucker Carlson is a noted racist and Trump boot-licker, and probably doesn't really use any sort of logic or reasoning...

But is there a particular reason he targeted her? Did she make a notable media appearance lately? Was she involved in some law congress was passing? The possibility she may become Biden's VP pick? Or was Carlson just attacking Democrats in general and Duckworth's name stood out?

(Again, I know Trumpanzees don't act rationally, but in some cases you can point to things that trigger them.)

He was attacking her because she might be the VP.

He says people aren't supposed to criticise her because she used to be in the military but really she hates America and what it stands for.

Was it an attack directed only at her, or did he attack all potential VP candidates, but his attack on her stood out because of her military record?

Lt Col Vindman is up for promotion to full Col. This is done en blac on a list the Senate approves. The list is massively delayed because the White House is trying to get Vindman off the list so they can illegally retaliate against a patriotic whistle blower and politicize the military without it being quite as blatant. If they get the Pentagon to remove the name, then they don't have to do anything else in the Senate like hold up the list there.

Duckworth has been calling this out and insisting the list be given to the Senate for them to approve.

GOP hates the military and honesty. Same as ever.

 

[Lurch]

Well, America won the Civil War, for sure.

Single-handedly! Without the help of any allies!

 

[Segnosaur]

Trump Tweets

“COVID-19 (China Virus) Death Rate PLUNGES From Peak In U.S.” A Tenfold Decrease In Mortality. The Washington Times @WashTimes Valerie Richardson. We have the lowest Mortality Rate in the World. The Fake News should be reporting these most important of facts, but they don’t!

That's the overall mortality rate though. He's probably taking about the mortality rate in the past week, past day, or past hour.
"In the period from 1:35 pm to 1:37 pm Eastern Time on July 3rd, the US had the least number of deaths per 100K population in the world. We're Number One!!"

Well, that's far from true as well.

The countries above the USA in total corona deaths are having almost no deaths at all these days.

Current death rate in the top ten deaths per capita countries (ignoring micro nations):

Yesterday:

Belgium - 0 deaths - 0 per 1 million population
UK - 16 deaths - 0,94 per million population
Spain - 3 deaths - 0,064 per million population
Italy - 8 deaths - 0,13 per million population
Sweden - 3 deaths - 0,3 per million population
France - 13 deaths - 0,2 per million population
USA - 378 deaths - 1,14 per million population
Netherlands - 1 death - 0,06 per million population

A few things to keep in mind:

- The article that Trump was referring to in his tweet was from the Washington times... Media bias has them listed as a "questionable source" (strong-right wing opinion, numerous failed fact checks.)

- The article itself seems to be tossing around a lot of numbers that, well, may be misleading. (At one point they are talking aobut Covid-19 deaths, then they bring in the death rate from covid19+influenza combined.)

- When Trump is talking about how the U.S. has the 'lowest mortality', he may be referring to the percentage of people who catch covid19 and die (as opposed to those that survived.) It may even be possible that that's true... but it may have more to do with the fact that Covid19 in the U.S. is circulating more in younger, healthier populations, whereas other countries have more control over the pandemic (and in those other countries it may only be circulating in populations that are more at risk.)

- Another reason covid19 deaths may be dropping is because, well, they are actually learning how to treat it... e,g, the use of steroids on patients has reduced mortality in some patients.