Mueller Investigation pt 7

Skeptic Ginger said:
It would be nice but Barr won't show nor will he allow anyone else to show. It would be nice if the judge then simply released the un-redacted report.
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I suspect what would happen is that Barr would just appeal the decision to another court, and it would be tied up in legal knots until after the election.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It would be nice but Barr won't show nor will he allow anyone else to show. It would be nice if the judge then simply released the un-redacted report.

It might shut up Lindsay Graham who this morning in committee is still repeating the CT that the FBI was in cahoots with Clinton to get Trump.

I have a great idea, release it near the end of Oct.
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Unlike Congress, it is within a Federal Courts power to send the FBI to arrest Barr and bring him before the court. It only a matter of whether there is a judge with big enough balls to do it.
 
The most explosive revelations from the newly released, less redacted version of the Mueller report

Multiple top Trump campaign aides told investigators that Trump himself, then the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, knew WikiLeaks had information that would hurt the Clinton campaign, the report said.

Mueller also believed Trump may have lied to him in his written answers to questions from investigators.

Prosecutors also suspected that Trump may have discussed his answers with Roger Stone, the longtime former Republican strategist who was convicted on seven felony counts of obstruction, false statements, and witness tampering.
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Also -

Zelinsky Opening Statement Directly Accuses DOJ of Corruption In Stone Sentencing
 
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smartcooky said:
Unlike Congress, it is within a Federal Courts power to send the FBI to arrest Barr and bring him before the court. It only a matter of whether there is a judge with big enough balls to do it.
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Slight nit: the FBI works for Barr's Justice Department. A federal judge would send U.S. Marshals, who are part of the judiciary.
https://www.usmarshals.gov/index.html

Theoretically, the Congress, which has its own police force, could also make an arrest. But they haven't done it since 1927.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/15/house-has-power-arrest-people-who-defy-its-orders/
 
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Bob001 said:
Slight nit: the FBI works for Barr's Justice Department. A federal judge would send U.S. Marshals, who are part of the judiciary.
https://www.usmarshals.gov/index.html
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My bad

Bob001 said:
Theoretically, the Congress, which has its own police force, could also make an arrest. But they haven't done it since 1927.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/15/house-has-power-arrest-people-who-defy-its-orders/
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And there hasn't been been an AG as crooked and corrupt as Barr since.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_N._Mitchell
 
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Aridas said:
Sure Barr isn't worse?
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Barr is worse for the simple fact that, after Watergate, he should and did know better.
Barr is a smart person fully aware that what he does would get him thrown in jail if it wasn't for a White House and Senate that will back him as long as he backs them.
He is part of a cartel.
 
smartcooky said:
I'm sure he is worse that Mitchell ever was.
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Yes. Mitchell was just trying to get Nixon re-elected. Barr is a right-wing religous extremist who is perverting the functions of government.
In a histrionic speech at Notre Dame Law School on Friday, he blamed “secularists” and “so-called progressives” for destroying society and precipitating the crises of family dissolution, crime, and drugs, while talking of a war between religious and nonreligious Americans. Scary ****.

“This is not decay,” Barr intoned darkly at Notre Dame. “This is organized destruction. Secularists and their allies have marshaled all the forces of mass communication, popular culture, the entertainment industry, and academia in an unremitting assault on religion and traditional values.”
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https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/william-barr-notre-dame-secularism/
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
The same Michael Cohen Trump wants in jail? I never thought I'd see the day Squeegee agreed with Trump, but here we are.
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Of more note there is the "campaign finance laws," I think.

For context, by the look of it, the Trump campaign's actual main crimes involved campaign finance law violations, including felonies. They've been pretty much given a pass there, though, for no actually good reason. The FEC's been crippled to the point where the Republicans on it literally stopped all FEC investigation into even the NRA's involvement in funneling Russian money into our elections (on the basis of the flimsiest, most transparent of excuses even after Butina's confession) to the significant benefit of the Republicans and then became pretty much completely defunct because of McConnell's long-standing hatred of the FEC. On the Mueller side, Mueller decided to generally employ a standard for campaign finance violations that had been explicitly forbidden by Congress and ruled against in McConnell vs FEC (which is probably related to McConnell's long-standing campaign to sabotage the FEC), which led to the Trump campaign not being charged for... the main things that they were being accused of. Even stuff like Manafort sharing campaign data with the Russians while knowing that the Russians wanted the data so they could interfere better wasn't charged under that explicitly banned standard.

Given that, Barr's interference about that, specifically, looks more like an attempt to protect Trump and co and make Trump happy.
 
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Aridas said:
Of more note there is the "campaign finance laws," I think.

For context, by the look of it, the Trump campaign's actual main crimes involved campaign finance law violations, including felonies.
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Can you be more specific on this point? Which felonies and specific instances are you referring to? Thanks.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Can you post the relevant documents/evidence/cite for this statement? Thanks.
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I gave an example of a supporting link for it in what you quoted? That [/url] tag in what you quoted is from it.

There's plenty more if you actually look, of course.

With that said, though, what, exactly, are you asking? My statement was that the Republicans blocked investigation into the matter, which they did.

Here, though, is a link directly to an official FEC statement on the matter.
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Can you be more specific on this point? Which felonies and specific instances are you referring to? Thanks.
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Well, there's the obvious ones involving Cohen, to start with.

Trump probably won't be charged with campaign finance fraud in office. But that doesn't make him innocent.

In a blistering sentencing submission filed against Michael Cohen, the SDNY definitively indicated that Trump conspired with Cohen to commit the felony crime of campaign finance fraud.
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To poke further at that via CREW

Five of Trump’s potential violations involved his apparent knowing and willful direction, receipt, and concealment of unlawful contributions to his presidential campaign in violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA), 52 U.S.C. § 30101 et seq. While it is true that technical offenses of the FECA are penalized with civil fines, more serious offenses are subject to criminal penalties. Unlawful campaign contributions or expenditures in excess of $25,000, made knowingly and willfully, are felonies punishable by up to five years in prison.
The eight criminal offenses, including seven felonies, potentially committed by Trump include:

Causing American Media Inc. (AMI) to make and/or accepting (or causing his then lawyer Michael Cohen to accept) an unlawful corporate contribution related to Karen McDougal.
Two instances of causing Cohen to make and/or accepting an unlawful individual contributions related to Stephanie Clifford and February 2015 online polling.
Two instances of causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC’s failure to report contributions from AMI and Cohen related to McDougal and Clifford.
Causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC to file false reports with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
Making a false statement by failing to disclose liability to Cohen for the Clifford payment on his 2017 public financial disclosure form.
Conspiracy to defraud the United States by undermining the lawful function of the FEC and/or violating federal campaign finance law related to “hush money” payments, false statements, and cover-ups of reimbursement payments to Cohen made by the Trump Organization.
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That enough to start with for you?
 
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