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Mueller Investigation pt 7

JoeMorgue said:
If she tries her best every time and still doesn't succeed it in ever saving a drowning person, at a certain point you just stop paying her to be a lifeguard, fault or no fault, good intentions or bad.
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Circumstances beyond a superior lifeguard's control - not the fault of the lifeguard - could prevent a superior lifeguard from saving a person.


And your "every time" condition doesn't really apply to impeachment, as there has been only impeachment of trump.
 
Segnosaur said:
However, that doesn't necessarily mean the impeachment was a mistake, for a couple of reasons:

- It may have caused Trump supporters to rally around the racist, but it also may help energize Democrats as well. (Many democrats also saw an increase in fundraising during the impeachment proceedings)

- Its hard to know how the alternative might have gone. Ok, so Trump's approval ratings ticked up by a little bit. If they didn't impeach, it may still have gone up. Or it may have stayed the same.

- It may have a secondary benefit on some of the congressional races. Senators like Collins (who was already dealing with low approval ratings) now has the stigma of her "Trump learned a lesson. He didn't? My Mistake". This may play a part in her 2020 senate race.
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I also wonder if it's possible (not necessarily probable, Joe, don't jump on this) that the new stuff a further-emboldened Trump is doing might end up having negative consequences for him.
 
Belz... said:
If I may correct your analogy, since a lifeguard who can't swim is pretty silly, he tries his best to reach you but the tide takes you too far and he can't reach you before you drown. That's Nancy Pelosi.

Would you not rather have the one who tried, just in case they succeed?
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I'd rather have the one who tried. But why does removing me from the water require one hundred politicians to take a vote?
 
JoeMorgue said:
If Susan Collins is a weakling so is Nancy Pelosi. They've both had the same actual level of effect on anything Trump has done and the difference between Collin's 'Pretend I want to stop him even though I know in the end I don't" and Pelosi' "Pretend I can stop him even though I know in the end I can't" is meaningless on any practical level.

Someone once referred to Susan Collins as someone who always has to look at the menu for a half hour before always deciding to eat what Mitch McConnell is having. Nancy Pelosi is someone who looks at the menu, knows immediately what she wants, orders it, but realizes after the fact that Mitch McConnell already ordered for the whole table and she still has to eat it. But sometime she can sarcastically clap at him.

Mitch McConnell is still picking both women's meals in both metaphors. The only difference is how much they don't like it and Mitch McConnell don't care.
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It isn't right to hold it against people when they don't use a power they don't have; it is right to hold it against people when they don't use a power they do have.

And because it will come up, there are more kinds of weakness than one. Pelosi was not strong enough politically to hold Trump to more account (she's not 'weak' there by any reasonable metric), where Collins is weak personally, lacking the courage to do what is obviously morally and ethically right while also being the best thing for the country and her constituents.
 
Because it's relevant here...

Mueller Papers: Another 1,400 Pages Released

Some highlights that have already been picked out...

"RNC indicated they knew timing of upcoming WIKI releases"...pg 23.

"Sessions: Hopefully we can get the emails...Don Jr. had more contacts with Russian types..." pg 21

"Gates said, based on prior business dealings, Kushner had the best China contacts..." pg 18
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tyr_13 said:
It isn't right to hold it against people when they don't use a power they don't have; it is right to hold it against people when they don't use a power they do have.

And because it will come up, there are more kinds of weakness than one. Pelosi was not strong enough politically to hold Trump to more account (she's not 'weak' there by any reasonable metric), where Collins is weak personally, lacking the courage to do what is obviously morally and ethically right while also being the best thing for the country and her constituents.
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Agree.

Susan Collins is a gutless wonder.. all show and no substance. She claims to have the backs of women everywhere and 100% supports their rights not have bunch old white god-bothering men dictate to them what happens with their bodies, yet she voted Drunky McRapeface, an accused rapist, drunkard and a person KNOWN to want to overturn Roe v Wade, to the SCOTUS.

A rank coward is what she is... and that Murkowski woman is not far behind her.
 
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Questioning Barr's 'credibility', federal judge requests unredacted Mueller Report

The Department of Justice has been ordered to turn over an unredacted copy of the Mueller report by 30 March, so a judge can assess what can be further released publicly.

The ruling of accuses the attorney general,*William Barr, of misrepresenting the findings of the report before handing it over to Congress.

The court decision is the result of a BuzzFeed News lawsuit seeling to un-redact the report, which details special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential elections.
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Mueller report: justice department ordered to turn over unredacted copy – live

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...pdates?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
 
Another court loss for Trump:

From: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ative-trump-judge-mueller-redaction-case.html
On Tuesday, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit issued a 2–1 decision upholding a lower-court ruling that ordered the Department of Justice turn over to Congress the parts of the Mueller report that have until now remained secret.

Apparently the one dissenting judge was one that was nominated by Trump.
 
Belz... said:
If I may correct your analogy, since a lifeguard who can't swim is pretty silly, he tries his best to reach you but the tide takes you too far and he can't reach you before you drown. That's Nancy Pelosi.

Would you not rather have the one who tried, just in case they succeed?
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Being an analogy to politicians, I think the silliness of a lifeguard who can't swim actually works well here. Whether you think it applies to Pelosi is a separate issue.
 
It would be nice but Barr won't show nor will he allow anyone else to show. It would be nice if the judge then simply released the un-redacted report.

It might shut up Lindsay Graham who this morning in committee is still repeating the CT that the FBI was in cahoots with Clinton to get Trump.

I have a great idea, release it near the end of Oct.
 
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