Anarchy in Seattle--Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

[William Parcher]

So far though, it does appear the shots came from the outside to the inside given anyone shooting within CHOP would have been mobbed and detained as happened with other incidents.

Not likely if he stops the SUV for 10 seconds to take 2 shots with a rifle and then gets back in and mashes the accelerator. An attempt to "mob and detain" just results in more injuries or death for the CHOP people who would be attempting it.

 

[Thermal]

Doesn't that just prove though that the protesters are like everybody else; they need some police protection? Not (necessarily) yet from internal problems, but guess what? Your local cops are there to protect you from cretins from the outside as well.

Yes and no. Police would likely not have been able to do anything this time unless they were on the scene during the attack. It was over in seconds, and the video identifying the guys is what the police have one way or the other to prosecute.

In my most humble of opinions, cops want a bad guy. Whether that bad guy is a protestor or proud boy makes little difference to them, as long as it is a fresh skull to crack. Maybe theyll protect you, and maybe they'll attack you, but you can't count on them to be consistent. That's what the CHOP zone is about, I think.

 

[deadrose]

Unfortunately, the information about white men was in a comment on this article, made by someone at the scene. They've now closed comments on the article so there's nothing left. The SUV is covered in the article though.

https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/one-reported-dead-one-wounded-in-overnight-capitol-hill-protest-zone-shooting/

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Not likely if he stops the SUV for 10 seconds to take 2 shots with a rifle and then gets back in and mashes the accelerator. An attempt to "mob and detain" just results in more injuries or death for the CHOP people who would be attempting it.

You mean if the person ran inside the perimeter, took shots and ran back out?

That's essentially the same as shooting from outside.

 

[William Parcher]

Unfortunately, the information about white men was in a comment on this article, made by someone at the scene. They've now closed comments on the article so there's nothing left. The SUV is covered in the article though.

https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/one-reported-dead-one-wounded-in-overnight-capitol-hill-protest-zone-shooting/

Your link gave me an answer about casings...

Police were collecting shell casings and evidence in the area and East Precinct radio reported video of the incident was being provided.

 

[William Parcher]

You mean if the person ran inside the perimeter, took shots and ran back out?

That's essentially the same as shooting from outside.

I'm confused.

We were told that the shooter was just outside of the perimeter shooting at people inside the perimeter. A witness said that they got out of the SUV and started shooting. It seems to me that it would have been a fast and easy getaway.

It's quite possible that there were no witnesses close to this guy, and this is happening at 2:30am.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Unfortunately, the information about white men was in a comment on this article, made by someone at the scene. They've now closed comments on the article so there's nothing left. The SUV is covered in the article though.

https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/one-reported-dead-one-wounded-in-overnight-capitol-hill-protest-zone-shooting/

I'm sure the details will emerge but in the meantime something on the 911 call does represent a contemporary witness.

UPDATE: A security employee working in the area reported the shooter had been in a black SUV that arrived in the area on E Pine. A 911 caller told police a man carried a rifle out of the SUV before gunfire erupted, according to East Precinct radio updates. The man who was killed was hit by multiple shots on the southwest corner of E Pine in front of the Odd Fellows building. Camp security was reported following the suspect after the shooting. There have been no reported arrests by police.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm confused.

We were told that the shooter was just outside of the perimeter shooting at people inside the perimeter. A witness said that they got out of the SUV and started shooting. It seems to me that it would have been a fast and easy getaway.

It's quite possible that there were no witnesses close to this guy, and this is happening at 2:30am.

Maybe you misunderstood my post.

Had a couple people inside got into an argument and shots were fired, I think people in the camp would have either tried to stop/detain the shooter or at least follow them.

An outsider to the camp, OTOH, would not have garnered the same response.

As for it being 2:30am, I'm sure there would have been more than a few people up and about.

 

[William Parcher]

Maybe you misunderstood my post.

Had a couple people inside got into an argument and shots were fired, I think people in the camp would have either tried to stop/detain the shooter or at least follow them.

Agreed with caveats.

An outsider to the camp, OTOH, would not have garnered the same response.

As for it being 2:30am, I'm sure there would have been more than a few people up and about.

Look Ginger, once he gets back in that SUV, which is ready to be driven away, nobody is going to stop him unless they put a bullet in his head as he drives away at 30mph and increasing rapidly. Anybody getting in the way of that SUV is going to be mowed down and then he is gone.

We know that he had the rifle and can use it against anyone trying to mob or detain him. He may also have a pistol in a holster he is wearing when he gets out of the SUV (in case of close-range mobbing) or one waiting in the SUV for instant use.

If it was a CHOP outsider "Proud Boy Rambo type" with a plan then he would have insured that he could get away without a problem.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Agreed with caveats.



Look Ginger, once he gets back in that SUV, which is ready to be driven away, nobody is going to stop him unless they put a bullet in his head as he drives away at 30mph and increasing rapidly. Anybody getting in the way of that SUV is going to be mowed down and then he is gone.

We know that he had the rifle and can use it against anyone trying to mob or detain him. He may also have a pistol in a holster he is wearing when he gets out of the SUV (in case of close-range mobbing) or one waiting in the SUV for instant use.

If it was a CHOP outsider "Proud Boy Rambo type" with a plan then he would have insured that he could get away without a problem.

You're still not reading what I wrote, or you are picturing something else.

Of course no one would stop him once he was in an SUV driving away. Where'd you get the idea that's what I was saying?


Anyway, enough of that. There's a video out. Witness says lots of people were "partying" in the street, some fire crackers went off, then a slew of shots. The witness with the camera ran to his car and left, fearing the gun shots.

He thought is was a gang related shooting. But from the video, he didn't have an actual view of the shooting. He was going by what was going on before the shots rang out. So a lot of that account needs a grain of salt. But you can see it was busy with people.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

FB page with > hour video of the scene

So far it looks like the beginning is just after the shooting, but I paused it after a few minutes after a discussion about people shooting in the air. I plan to watch more later.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Doesn't that just prove though that the protesters are like everybody else; they need some police protection? Not (necessarily) yet from internal problems, but guess what? Your local cops are there to protect you from cretins from the outside as well.

Police generally aren't that good at preventing drive-by or brief surprise attack shootings outside of the CHOP. People regularly commit these kinds of crimes elsewhere. The best someone can hope for from the police is that they will identify and arrest the shooter after the fact.

Recent history in the US shows that surprise attack shooters, including mass shooters who make no attempt to escape or evade police, have very little problems committing their crimes if they manage to keep their mouths shut before hand.

Short of putting up a walled border with armed guards and patrols, I don't really see how the CHOP can defend itself from reactionary right wingers intending to do violence like this.

 

[varwoche]

Believe me, I too am anxiously awaiting evidence of the van rumor.

So far though, it does appear the shots came from the outside to the inside given anyone shooting within CHOP would have been mobbed and detained as happened with other incidents.

Perhaps this puts the rumor to rest:

A group from ‘CHOP’ released a statement about the shootings, reading in part “it seems the situation escalated because of gang affiliations” in regards to the deadly shooting. It finished by reading “we still want what we wanted from day one, justice for all.”

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Perhaps this puts the rumor to rest:

I'm curious how people in the CHOP would know this, but I don't see why this would be implausible.

 

[William Parcher]

A much better book is that one with the Proud Boy shooter.

 

[William Parcher]

I'm curious how people in the CHOP would know this, but I don't see why this would be implausible.

It could be as simple as seeing gang signs flashed (usually a hand(s) thing) or "gang words" being yelled.

It might have been immediately apparent to many people that this was a gang hitman.

 

[crescent]

I'm curious how people in the CHOP would know this, but I don't see why this would be implausible.

It could be as simple as seeing gang signs flashed (usually a hand(s) thing) or "gang words" being yelled.

It might have been immediately apparent to many people that this was a gang hitman.

That, and gangs tend to be local, they often know each other. Even rivals from different gangs often grew up near each other and know each other's names. There's a good chance the victims or those with them saw and recognized the shooter or people with the shooters.

 

[William Parcher]

Anyone who deduced that they had just seen another murderous gang hit would also then know that the shooter is essentially guaranteed to not be white. This is the same for any intended victim(s). They are not white either. You don't even have to look at the involved parties to know. Once you know it's gang then you know they ain't white.

A sage observer at CHOP might offer...

Yeah man what we just saw here that's what those Proud Boy supremacist do. You see it on the news. But this here was black or brown boys and man this stuff happens every day around here and other parts of Seattle. It's like a killing machine that don't never stop and don't never sleep. Those white supremacists don't nearly kill or wreck that many all the time. Man it ain't even a close. I can hear some of you saying it was Proud Boy. It wasn't. What you saw was the shooter, somebody who ain't white, doing a killing because they are too proud of their gang. They just exactly like a Proud Boy but they ain't white and they kill so often that it's like the white killers ain't even a pimple compare.

 

[Arcade22]

I'm curious how people in the CHOP would know this, but I don't see why this would be implausible.

Usually it's not some big secret who is a gang member and if he was the only one who was shot after some arguement it's a pretty safe bet that it was gang related.

 

[Stout]

So no rusty pick up with a confederate flag in the back window and banjo music blaring from the AM radio shooting up those damn hippies at "the summer of love" ?

I figured as much since somebody obviously saw what happened with the SUV yet, somehow, we weren't given a description of the shooter.

There's been a second shooting. I can post a fox news link for anybody who wants to believe that it didn't happen.