Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 23

[JoeMorgue]

My bet is that debates won't happen. Not with Trump, at least.

No Trump still thinks that's his wheelhouse. It's where he can just full on drop the pretense and be a trolling, lying, poisoning the well bully showing off for his followers.

 

[kookbreaker]

What a difference a few hours made.

The look of a man who just realized the only part of the job he truly enjoys isn’t fun anymore.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

No Trump still thinks that's his wheelhouse. It's where he can just full on drop the pretense and be a trolling, lying, poisoning the well bully showing off for his followers.

I would bet that Trump won't agree to any debate.
Moderators might be partisan and ask questions.

 

[Stacyhs]

If anyone wants to see it here is footage of Trump drinking water with one hand, and being cheered for it.

...and it still looks like it's causing him discomfort.

He has the most slap worthy face on the planet. That smug look when he thinks he's said something clever is beyond disgusting.

 

[p0lka]

If he were anyone else I might almost feel sorry for him.

The cynic in me suspects that that was what he was going for.

 

[newyorkguy]

Thinking trump may try and claim the demonstrators blocked the many would be attendees from the BOK Center -- what else does trump have? -- I looked the local newspaper website, Tulsa World, to see what they reported Saturday night. Not much. Some shouting, some protests, a couple people arrested.

People marched in the streets. They chanted. And at times Saturday in downtown Tulsa, emotions ran high when protesters and Donald Trump supporters came together. But there was sporadic physical conflict, and by 11:45 p.m., downtown had grown calm after a day of angry exchanges. At the height of the tension, police deployed pepper balls near Fourth Street and Boulder Avenue, hours after the agency received condemnation from protesters and national media when it confirmed that officers had arrested a nonviolent protester at the behest of Trump campaign staff. On its Facebook page, the Tulsa Police Department said a "couple of rounds" of pepper balls were fired into the ground when police were surrounded by protesters.

Police were seen making at least two arrests Saturday evening in the Sixth Street and Denver Avenue area, though officers used their vehicles to attempt to block public view of them putting one of the arrestees in a transport van. The man had been kneeling in the street in a form of civil disobedience, though authorities claimed he kicked one officer in the face during a struggle to place him in the van. Another man [a trump supporter] who was arrested called the protesters’ presence in the intersection of Sixth and Denver “bulls---” and said, “Get them out of the road, soldier,” before joining in a chant of “All Lives Matter,” a phrase Black activists have said disregards the importance of promoting equal treatment for Black people, particularly by police. Tulsa World link

 

[Trebuchet]

It seems last night trump scraped bottom. But this is not a normal man. Can he regroup? Spin a fantasy about how great Tulsa was? Or is this the start of the decline? The beginning of the end. How would donald trump handle being humiliated on a national stage? Would he do something dramatic? Crazy? Something we never would dream he'd do? Or will just he say, 'Screw it,' throw in his cards and look for a new scam.

I wonder what we'll be talking about next December?

Wow, just how long is that tie?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Trump's scrapped the bottom so many times that phrase has lost all meaning.

 

[p0lka]

What about this video?

They put 3 degree angle, more like 30 so there might be some fake news! comeback.

 

[Matthew Best]

Here's another view of the inside. That's a whole lot of empty seats.

[imgw=900]https://i.imgur.com/Qpre2W7.png[/imgw]

 

[Stacyhs]

What about this video?

OMG...loved that! Biden: He's not a whiny b****.

 

[varwoche]

Trump can go lower. Wait for the debates.*

*Disclaimer: If they happen.

He was whining about the supposed 2016 microphone malfunction as recently as last week.

 

[jimbob]

Still doesn't matter. With total of 800K tickets, that means that 790K would have had to be faked.

Official headcount by fire marshall: 6200

I'm guessing they thought they had about 100k, which they inflated to 1-million because it's hard to tell the difference. It's hilarious that they didn't realise how many of their tickets were ordered by teenagers with no intention of going.

 

[Stacyhs]

The Hill has posted video of Trump arriving back at the WH from Tulsa in Air Force 1 anf getting aboard marine 1

Then vid of him exiting Marine 1 at the WH

He looks like a broken man.

Of the xecond vid someone tweeted that he looks like the guy that paid for the stag in Vegas and is the only one that didn't get laid


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1274701102374629376

https://twitter.com/kellumdander/status/1274701330993549312

Expect tweets claiming he ran down the last 10 steps even though they were really steep and slippery.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Is this the end of Rallies for 2020?

Is it worth the risk of embarrassment for either candidate?

 

[Garrison]

And now Trump is denying manipulation:

Donald Trump: Re-election campaign denies low turnout manipulation claim

This is good, if they fail to take measures expect many more empty venues.

 

[pgwenthold]

I'm guessing they thought they had about 100k, which they inflated to 1-million because it's hard to tell the difference. It's hilarious that they didn't realise how many of their tickets were ordered by teenagers with no intention of going.

But not that many. You really think that teenagers with no intention of going accounted for 90% or more of the ticket orders?

 

[zooterkin]

A beanbag type would be suitable.

Or a tub of lard.

 

[shemp]

But not that many. You really think that teenagers with no intention of going accounted for 90% or more of the ticket orders?

It doesn't matter how many ticket orders they were responsible for. The campaign gave tickets to ANYONE AND EVERYONE who asked for them, and entrance to the arena was first come first served. The fact is, only 6,200 Trump supporters actually ordered tickets AND showed up. It doesn't matter if people on Tik Tok ordered 1,000, 1,000,000, or 1,000,000,000 tickets! Only time will tell if people were just too smart to risk their lives and health to show up, or if this is a sign that Trump's base is cracking.

 

[Segnosaur]

Wouldn't even have to do that.

Just
- limit the tickets that can be ordered at one time to 2 (ie no big orders). For people wanting to order more provide a phone contact for people to call in
- do email verification of orders
- use cookies and IP address checks to make it harder to re-order from the same computer

It would not eliminate the problem of people making "fake" orders but it would slow it down. (If you have to jump through hoops to order tickets you can't use you will be less likely to try.)

There's no limit to the number of tickets available and the Trump Campaign wants to be able to boast about demand so there's no incentive for them to change their process.

I have to disagree... IF the campaign team were actually competent, there would be plenty of incentive to change their process.

Yes, I can understand a desire to boast about 'demand for a million tickets', but if
they still have Trump appearing in a half empty arena (and a cancelled overflow area), it just makes them look silly.

With a more accurate count of who would show up, they could have taken steps to minimize the problems... For example, no need to waste money setting up an outside stage if you know you won't fill the arena. Inside the arena they could have set up huge signs or maybe flags for some of the sections that they knew wouldn't be filled (to force everyone else into fewer seats.

(Its a little like professional wrestling... when they do a TV taping in an arena that they know will not sell out, they will only sell tickets in parts of the arena that will be seen on camera, because seeing one 'full' section looks better than seeing 2 half-full sections.

And if the trump campaign wants to boast about something, get creative. "Our ordering system got a million web hits from all 50 states", or something like that. It might be B.S., but it won't look as bad when things don't work out the way they expect.

Instead, what did Trump get? Plenty of pictures of empty seats, a boast of "A million tickets" that ends up looking false, and a waste of money to set up the outdoor area.